Bauer: Would it be a move you would make?

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Do you sign Trevor Bauer with his baggage?

Poll ended at Tue Jan 10, 2023 3:42 am

Yes
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Re: Bauer: Would it be a move you would make?

Post by bpj » Wed Jan 04, 2023 6:39 am

harmony wrote:
Wed Jan 04, 2023 6:27 am
bpj wrote:
Wed Jan 04, 2023 5:35 am
harmony wrote:
Wed Jan 04, 2023 5:21 am

No argument with that.

Did you witness the interaction between Trevor Bauer and the woman?

Bauer, the woman and their attorneys in the civil cases (plural) will gather their evidence and likely reach a resolution short of trial. If Bauer's suit and the woman's countersuit go to trial the parties will present their competing evidence and live with the verdicts.

A courtroom is a better venue than a baseball forum to reach those decisions.
No of course I didn't.

Innocent until proven guilty, and he didn't even get charged.

Funny to watch people shift the goalposts to a civil court decision once no criminal charges were filed.

Johnny Depp showed how that can go also. Yet people still rushing to "Guilty until proven innocent".

Preach all you want about the courtroom being the better venue, but tell it to the people assuming guilt. This didn't even reach the courtroom. That's how much merit the case had.
Trevor Bauer shifted the goalposts by initiating his civil suit. The woman merely countersued. Let the civil cases run their course.

https://www.latimes.com/sports/dodgers/ ... on-looming

Friendly advice: Seek a legal education. You're preaching to a public defender who retired today after 26 years in the courtroom. No need for a lecture on the presumption of innocence. ;)
Doesn't sound like you were very good if you were still a public defender after 26 years and still can't understand the presumption of innocence. At least we can understand why you're jaded on the subject after defending mostly guilty people for that long though.

He filed a civil suit because she's full of shit. She likely had to file a countersuit or look guilty at that point.

Still arguing his guilt after no charges are even brought. Unbelievable. Great work, public defender.

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Re: Bauer: Would it be a move you would make?

Post by harmony » Wed Jan 04, 2023 7:02 am

bpj wrote:
Wed Jan 04, 2023 6:39 am
harmony wrote:
Wed Jan 04, 2023 6:27 am
bpj wrote:
Wed Jan 04, 2023 5:35 am


No of course I didn't.

Innocent until proven guilty, and he didn't even get charged.

Funny to watch people shift the goalposts to a civil court decision once no criminal charges were filed.

Johnny Depp showed how that can go also. Yet people still rushing to "Guilty until proven innocent".

Preach all you want about the courtroom being the better venue, but tell it to the people assuming guilt. This didn't even reach the courtroom. That's how much merit the case had.
Trevor Bauer shifted the goalposts by initiating his civil suit. The woman merely countersued. Let the civil cases run their course.

https://www.latimes.com/sports/dodgers/ ... on-looming

Friendly advice: Seek a legal education. You're preaching to a public defender who retired today after 26 years in the courtroom. No need for a lecture on the presumption of innocence. ;)
Doesn't sound like you were very good if you were still a public defender after 26 years and still can't understand the presumption of innocence. At least we can understand why you're jaded on the subject after defending mostly guilty people for that long though.

He filed a civil suit because she's full of shit. She likely had to file a countersuit or look guilty at that point.

Still arguing his guilt after no charges are even brought. Unbelievable. Great work, public defender.
Review my posts ... I have never, ever presumed the guilt of Trevor Bauer.

Avoid baseless allegations.

The irony. :D

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Re: Bauer: Would it be a move you would make?

Post by bpj » Wed Jan 04, 2023 7:13 am

harmony wrote:
Wed Jan 04, 2023 7:02 am
bpj wrote:
Wed Jan 04, 2023 6:39 am
harmony wrote:
Wed Jan 04, 2023 6:27 am

Trevor Bauer shifted the goalposts by initiating his civil suit. The woman merely countersued. Let the civil cases run their course.

https://www.latimes.com/sports/dodgers/ ... on-looming

Friendly advice: Seek a legal education. You're preaching to a public defender who retired today after 26 years in the courtroom. No need for a lecture on the presumption of innocence. ;)
Doesn't sound like you were very good if you were still a public defender after 26 years and still can't understand the presumption of innocence. At least we can understand why you're jaded on the subject after defending mostly guilty people for that long though.

He filed a civil suit because she's full of shit. She likely had to file a countersuit or look guilty at that point.

Still arguing his guilt after no charges are even brought. Unbelievable. Great work, public defender.
Review my posts ... I have never, ever presumed the guilt of Trevor Bauer.

Avoid baseless allegations.

The irony. :D
You say it should be decided in court. Yet no charges were even brought against Bauer.

As a public defender, were your clients cases decided when no charges were brought against them or did you wait for the civil cases (which probably never happened) to prove their case?

I understand, you don't really have an argument, you're just being your usual useless self.

This is probably the most telling sign you have no argument:
Trevor Bauer shifted the goalposts by initiating his civil suit. The woman merely countersued. Let the civil cases run their course.
So no charges are filed, he sues her for being full of shit, and now that's him shifting the goalposts??

Get the eff outta here with that BS.

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Re: Bauer: Would it be a move you would make?

Post by harmony » Wed Jan 04, 2023 5:50 pm

bpj wrote:
Wed Jan 04, 2023 7:13 am
harmony wrote:
Wed Jan 04, 2023 7:02 am
bpj wrote:
Wed Jan 04, 2023 6:39 am


Doesn't sound like you were very good if you were still a public defender after 26 years and still can't understand the presumption of innocence. At least we can understand why you're jaded on the subject after defending mostly guilty people for that long though.

He filed a civil suit because she's full of shit. She likely had to file a countersuit or look guilty at that point.

Still arguing his guilt after no charges are even brought. Unbelievable. Great work, public defender.
Review my posts ... I have never, ever presumed the guilt of Trevor Bauer.

Avoid baseless allegations.

The irony. :D
You say it should be decided in court. Yet no charges were even brought against Bauer.

As a public defender, were your clients cases decided when no charges were brought against them or did you wait for the civil cases (which probably never happened) to prove their case?

I understand, you don't really have an argument, you're just being your usual useless self.

This is probably the most telling sign you have no argument:
Trevor Bauer shifted the goalposts by initiating his civil suit. The woman merely countersued. Let the civil cases run their course.
So no charges are filed, he sues her for being full of shit, and now that's him shifting the goalposts??

Get the eff outta here with that BS.
Who raised the goalpost metaphor in this thread?

When a prosecutor decides against filing a criminal charge, that's good news for the client. Nevertheless an attorney should advise the client of potential exposure to civil liability, employer discipline or other collateral actions. Each has its specific legal tests, standards and burdens distinct from the prosecutor's charging decision.

The woman sued Trevor Bauer for alleged sexual battery and battery after Bauer had sued the woman and others (including The Athletic) for defamation. Those cases await their ultimate resolutions.

Bauer faced discipline under the MLB-MLBPA Joint Domestic Violence Policy enacted in 2015. Bauer was the 16th player disciplined under the policy but the first to appeal the league's initial ruling to a neutral arbitrator.

"After an exhaustive review of the available evidence," the neutral arbitrator found Bauer in violation of that policy and upheld the unpaid suspension of 194 games. The original suspension of 324 games was reduced and Bauer was reinstated immediately.

https://www.mlb.com/news/trevor-bauer-r ... suspension

Which raises two questions:

1. Are forum contributors and the arbitrator equally familiar with the legal requirements under the MLB-MLBPA Joint Domestic Violence Policy?
2. Do forum contributors and the arbitrator have the same evidence surrounding the conduct of Bauer and the woman?

The answers to those questions could help determine what weight to give the judgments of forum contributors and the arbitrator.

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Re: Bauer: Would it be a move you would make?

Post by Big_Maple » Wed Jan 04, 2023 7:08 pm

Lengthy post alert:

I have resisted chiming into this thread for a variety of reasons – mostly I don’t feel qualified to comment on the details of an ongoing investigation. FWIW, I agree with desbcoach – knowing what I do about his personal life, I wouldn’t want someone like that on the team. I am not taking a moral high ground here, but his bedroom behavior has repeatedly escalated to the point that women are filing complaints, and this would inevitably be a distraction for the team as well as for Bauer which could impact him on the field. That said, I am reluctant to use this as a disqualifying criterion if the M’s were considering adding him to the team. I would not want MLB to start unpacking the private lives of players to use as the basis of a determination to make offers or to make trades. But things are different if lines are crossed, and allegations of abuse are both evident and substantiated.

We can debate the evidence, but the fact is none of us have access to all of the evidence of ongoing litigation. However, I would remind us of two important facts: first, physical abuse does not always leave visible marks. There was apparently video of one of the victims the morning after the alleged assault in which no visible bruising was evident. According to the complaint, Bauer punched her in the head and vagina during sex. A video from a cell phone framing only the face may not show bruising, even if it had started to appear at this point. Second, just because there is not enough evidence for a DA to move forward with criminal charges, there may still be enough evidence for civil litigation. I would remind us all of the OJ Simpson case – there was a mountain of physical evidence linking OJ to the murders of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Goldman, and yet a jury exonerated him in the criminal case against him. Two years later, OJ was convicted in a civil case filed by the families of the victims – a conviction based largely on the same evidence presented in his criminal case. So the fact that the DA dropped charges on Bauer should not be interpreted as full exoneration. Or of guilt, for that matter.

Please allow me to digress a bit here about matters that are personal to me, but related to this case and to comments made on this board. People who are very close to me have been the victims of domestic battery. Some of these people endured abuse for years before finally finding the courage to leave their abusers. These people have told moving stories about the shame and embarrassment they feel about their abuse and their inability to leave their relationships. There is a simple, unavoidable fact that emerges from the stories of women who are victims of domestic abuse – men invariably wield the power in the relationship. There is a physical and emotional and often financial disparity that exists, and the balance of power is almost always tipped in the hands of the man in the relationship. While the reasons why women find it so hard to leave abusive relationships varies, the balance of power is a mitigating factor. In the Bauer case, this balance is even more disproportionate – he is a celebrity (meaning all of the details of the abuse are discussed in the media and retweeted on social media and dissected on discussion boards which amplifies the feelings of embarrassment and recalcitrance by the purported victims), and he is a man with almost limitless financial means (meaning he can hire the best lawyers like OJ did to defend himself – which is fine in the sense that he is entitled to whatever legal representation he wants, but there will be an inevitable disparity in the legal defense his victims can afford).

While some may find the Me Too movement tiresome or unreasonable or whatever – the simple fact is that there would not be a Me Too movement if the playing field was always level. The movement itself is the product of brave women who are victims of sexual assault, rape and discrimination finally coming forward, telling their stories and facing their accusers. While some of these cases will inevitably be overstated or the product of baseless accusations (as any social movement is), the vast majority are legitimate complaints against abusers and a culture that emboldens and protects them. If the balance of power were equal, and men were equally subjected to abuse, pay disparity, rape, assault and misconduct by their female counterparts, there would not be a social movement like Me Too.

Is there a basis to the claims of his abusers? I don’t know. None of us know. The claims of the 3 purported victims may be baseless. But they may not. And we should not lose sight of the fact that Bauer is not a victim here. He has admitted to physical violence that is inconsistent with MLB’s Joint Domestic Violence, Sexual Assault and Child Abuse Policy. Rather than discretely allowing this to work its way through the justice system, he is wielding his celebrity using social media as a bully pulpit to embarrass his purported victims, shaming them into recanting or withdrawing accusations, and countersuing as a form of legal retaliation (a strategy that figured into MLB’s decision to punish him). And I will remind us all that filing criminal charges and seeking restraining orders against abusers by victims of sexual assault is not gold digging. And if Bauer is, in fact guilty, a civil suit seeking punitive damages is also not gold digging either – and if you think it is, tell that to the families of Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman. Ask them how happy they are with the money they got from OJ.

I know this is a bit of rant, but I am unapologetic. As I say, I know women who are the victims of horrible domestic abuse. They are smart, accomplished, talented, amazing women, and the question of why they didn’t leave after the first slap, punch, kick or instance of verbal and emotional abuse is complicated. But I would ask us all to consider this – how would we feel if our wives, sisters, daughters or mothers were the victims of the same sort of abuse Bauer’s purported victims have suffered. And then they found the courage to come forward only to have their accuser use their celebrity status to have every indiscretion, detail and act be played out in court of public opinion.

If Bauer is innocent and these women are merely seeking financial gain, then good for Bauer. And shame on them – they’re a discredit to the Me Too movement and to brave women who have legitimately stood up to sexual misconduct. But given the power dynamic that explicitly exists, I would urge us all to approach this with a degree of empathy and to consider the credulity of his purported victims. Is this really the way these women choose to be remembered? Is exploiting a social movement that empowers women to speak out against social and sexual injustice really the best strategy for ensuring personal financial gain? Would we be feeling differently if it was our sisters that were involved?

For those who are interested, there is an excellent article on this in the Washington Post (sorry there’s a paywall):
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2 ... n-dodgers/
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Re: Bauer: Would it be a move you would make?

Post by bpj » Wed Jan 04, 2023 7:21 pm

harmony wrote:
Wed Jan 04, 2023 5:50 pm
bpj wrote:
Wed Jan 04, 2023 7:13 am
harmony wrote:
Wed Jan 04, 2023 7:02 am

Review my posts ... I have never, ever presumed the guilt of Trevor Bauer.

Avoid baseless allegations.

The irony. :D
You say it should be decided in court. Yet no charges were even brought against Bauer.

As a public defender, were your clients cases decided when no charges were brought against them or did you wait for the civil cases (which probably never happened) to prove their case?

I understand, you don't really have an argument, you're just being your usual useless self.

This is probably the most telling sign you have no argument:
Trevor Bauer shifted the goalposts by initiating his civil suit. The woman merely countersued. Let the civil cases run their course.
So no charges are filed, he sues her for being full of shit, and now that's him shifting the goalposts??

Get the eff outta here with that BS.
Who raised the goalpost metaphor in this thread?

When a prosecutor decides against filing a criminal charge, that's good news for the client. Nevertheless an attorney should advise the client of potential exposure to civil liability, employer discipline or other collateral actions. Each has its specific legal tests, standards and burdens distinct from the prosecutor's charging decision.

The woman sued Trevor Bauer for alleged sexual battery and battery after Bauer had sued the woman and others (including The Athletic) for defamation. Those cases await their ultimate resolutions.

Bauer faced discipline under the MLB-MLBPA Joint Domestic Violence Policy enacted in 2015. Bauer was the 16th player disciplined under the policy but the first to appeal the league's initial ruling to a neutral arbitrator.

"After an exhaustive review of the available evidence," the neutral arbitrator found Bauer in violation of that policy and upheld the unpaid suspension of 194 games. The original suspension of 324 games was reduced and Bauer was reinstated immediately.

https://www.mlb.com/news/trevor-bauer-r ... suspension

Which raises two questions:

1. Are forum contributors and the arbitrator equally familiar with the legal requirements under the MLB-MLBPA Joint Domestic Violence Policy?
2. Do forum contributors and the arbitrator have the same evidence surrounding the conduct of Bauer and the woman?

The answers to those questions could help determine what weight to give the judgments of forum contributors and the arbitrator.
I raised the goalposts metaphor- because it actually applied.

Saying Bauer moved the goalposts because no charges were brought against him and he filed a civil suit is a clown argument.

And you're still trying to use the fact that Bauer was the one to file a civil suit against the woman, and her civil suit came after he filed, as if that's a negative thing-
The woman sued Trevor Bauer for alleged sexual battery and battery after Bauer had sued the woman and others (including The Athletic) for defamation.
When in reality, any person with half a brain can see what happened there.

Charges were bogus, so he sued her, she got scared that reality was closing in on her and had no choice but to file a countersuit.

The original suspension of 324 games was reduced to 194, and Bauer was reinstated immediately.

Yeah. Exactly. :!: :!:

Pretty obvious what happened, despite the smokescreens you're trying to throw up because you don't want to admit you're (obviously) wrong.

Can't even just admit that your clients cases were over when the charges against them were dropped (or never brought to begin with). Very disingenuous.

Because all you really want to do is argue with me. Even when you clearly have no argument. 🤡

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Re: Bauer: Would it be a move you would make?

Post by harmony » Wed Jan 04, 2023 7:33 pm

Big_Maple wrote:
Wed Jan 04, 2023 7:08 pm
Lengthy post alert:

I have resisted chiming into this thread for a variety of reasons – mostly I don’t feel qualified to comment on the details of an ongoing investigation. FWIW, I agree with desbcoach – knowing what I do about his personal life, I wouldn’t want someone like that on the team. I am not taking a moral high ground here, but his bedroom behavior has repeatedly escalated to the point that women are filing complaints, and this would inevitably be a distraction for the team as well as for Bauer which could impact him on the field. Moreover, I am reluctant to use this as a disqualifying criterion if the M’s were considering adding him to the team. I would not want MLB to start unpacking the private lives of players to use as the basis of a determination to make offers or to make trades. But things are different if lines are crossed, and allegations of abuse are both evident and substantiated.

We can debate the evidence, but the fact is none of us have access to all of the evidence of ongoing litigation. However, I would remind us of two important facts: first, physical abuse does not always leave visible marks. There was apparently video of one of the victims the morning after the alleged assault in which no visible bruising was evident. According to the complaint, Bauer punched her in the head and vagina during sex. A video from a cell phone framing only the face may not show bruising, even if it had started to appear at this point. Second, just because there is not enough evidence for a DA to move forward with criminal charges, there may still be enough evidence for civil litigation. I would remind us all of the OJ Simpson case – there was a mountain of physical evidence linking OJ to the murders of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Goldman, and yet a jury exonerated him in the criminal case against him. Two years later, OJ was convicted in a civil case filed by the families of the victims – a conviction based largely on the same evidence presented in his criminal case. So the fact that the DA dropped charges on Bauer should not be interpreted as full exoneration. Or of guilt, for that matter.

Please allow me to digress a bit here about matters that are personal to me, but related to this case and to comments made on this board. People who are very close to me have been the victims of domestic battery. Some of these people endured abuse for years before finally finding the courage to leave their abusers. These people have told moving stories about the shame and embarrassment they feel about their abuse and their inability to leave their relationships. There is a simple, unavoidable fact that emerges from the stories of women who are victims of domestic abuse – men invariably wield the power in the relationship. There is a physical and emotional and often financial disparity that exists, and the balance of power is almost always tipped in the hands of the man in the relationship. While the reasons why women find it so hard to leave abusive relationships varies, the balance of power is a mitigating factor. In the Bauer case, this balance is even more disproportionate – he is a celebrity (meaning all of the details of the abuse are discussed in the media and retweeted on social media and dissected on discussion boards which amplifies the feelings of embarrassment and recalcitrance by the purported victims), and he is a man with almost limitless financial means (meaning he can hire the best lawyers like OJ did to defend himself – which is fine in the sense that he is entitled to whatever legal representation he wants, but there will be an inevitable disparity in the legal defense his victims can afford).

While some may find the Me Too movement tiresome or unreasonable or whatever – the simple fact is that there would not be a Me Too movement if the playing field was always level. The movement itself is the product of brave women who are victims of sexual assault, rape and discrimination finally coming forward, telling their stories and facing their accusers. While some of these cases will inevitably be overstated or the product of baseless accusations (as any social movement is), the vast majority are legitimate complaints against abusers and a culture that emboldens and protects them. If the balance of power were equal, and men were equally subjected to abuse, pay disparity, rape, assault and misconduct by their female counterparts, there would not be a social movement like Me Too.

Is there a basis to the claims of his abusers? I don’t know. None of us know. The claims of the 3 purported victims may be baseless. But they may not. And we should not lose sight of the fact that Bauer is not a victim here. He has admitted to physical violence that is inconsistent with MLB’s Joint Domestic Violence, Sexual Assault and Child Abuse Policy. Rather than discretely allowing this to work its way through the justice system, he is wielding his celebrity using social media as a bully pulpit to embarrass his purported victims, shaming them into recanting or withdrawing accusations, and countersuing as a form of legal retaliation (a strategy that figured into MLB’s decision to punish him). And I will remind us all that filing criminal charges and seeking restraining orders against abusers by victims of sexual assault is not gold digging. And if Bauer is, in fact guilty, a civil suit seeking punitive damages is also not gold digging either – and if you think it is, tell that to the families of Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman. Ask them how happy they are with the money they got from OJ.

I know this is a bit of rant, but I am unapologetic. As I say, I know women who are the victims of horrible domestic abuse. They are smart, accomplished, talented, amazing women, and the question of why they didn’t leave after the first slap, punch, kick or instance of verbal and emotional abuse is complicated. But I would ask us all to consider this – how would we feel if our wives, sisters, daughters or mothers were the victims of the same sort of abuse Bauer’s purported victims have suffered. And then they found the courage to come forward only to have their accuser use their celebrity status to have every indiscretion, detail and act be played out in court of public opinion.

If Bauer is innocent and these women are merely seeking financial gain, then good for Bauer. And shame on them – they’re a discredit to the Me Too movement and to brave women who have legitimately stood up to sexual misconduct. But given the power dynamic that explicitly exists, I would urge us all to approach this with a degree of empathy and to consider the credulity of his purported victims. Is this really the way these women choose to be remembered? Is exploiting a social movement that empowers women to speak out against social and sexual injustice really the best strategy for ensuring personal financial gain? Would we be feeling differently if it was our sisters that were involved?

For those who are interested, there is an excellent article on this in the Washington Post (sorry there’s a paywall):
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2 ... n-dodgers/
Thank you for sharing the Washington Post piece. I'm not sure how I missed it earlier.

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Re: Bauer: Would it be a move you would make?

Post by harmony » Wed Jan 04, 2023 7:49 pm

bpj wrote:
Wed Jan 04, 2023 7:21 pm
harmony wrote:
Wed Jan 04, 2023 5:50 pm
bpj wrote:
Wed Jan 04, 2023 7:13 am


You say it should be decided in court. Yet no charges were even brought against Bauer.

As a public defender, were your clients cases decided when no charges were brought against them or did you wait for the civil cases (which probably never happened) to prove their case?

I understand, you don't really have an argument, you're just being your usual useless self.

This is probably the most telling sign you have no argument:


So no charges are filed, he sues her for being full of shit, and now that's him shifting the goalposts??

Get the eff outta here with that BS.
Who raised the goalpost metaphor in this thread?

When a prosecutor decides against filing a criminal charge, that's good news for the client. Nevertheless an attorney should advise the client of potential exposure to civil liability, employer discipline or other collateral actions. Each has its specific legal tests, standards and burdens distinct from the prosecutor's charging decision.

The woman sued Trevor Bauer for alleged sexual battery and battery after Bauer had sued the woman and others (including The Athletic) for defamation. Those cases await their ultimate resolutions.

Bauer faced discipline under the MLB-MLBPA Joint Domestic Violence Policy enacted in 2015. Bauer was the 16th player disciplined under the policy but the first to appeal the league's initial ruling to a neutral arbitrator.

"After an exhaustive review of the available evidence," the neutral arbitrator found Bauer in violation of that policy and upheld the unpaid suspension of 194 games. The original suspension of 324 games was reduced and Bauer was reinstated immediately.

https://www.mlb.com/news/trevor-bauer-r ... suspension

Which raises two questions:

1. Are forum contributors and the arbitrator equally familiar with the legal requirements under the MLB-MLBPA Joint Domestic Violence Policy?
2. Do forum contributors and the arbitrator have the same evidence surrounding the conduct of Bauer and the woman?

The answers to those questions could help determine what weight to give the judgments of forum contributors and the arbitrator.
I raised the goalposts metaphor- because it actually applied.

Saying Bauer moved the goalposts because no charges were brought against him and he filed a civil suit is a clown argument.

And you're still trying to use the fact that Bauer was the one to file a civil suit against the woman, and her civil suit came after he filed, as if that's a negative thing-
The woman sued Trevor Bauer for alleged sexual battery and battery after Bauer had sued the woman and others (including The Athletic) for defamation.
When in reality, any person with half a brain can see what happened there.

Charges were bogus, so he sued her, she got scared that reality was closing in on her and had no choice but to file a countersuit.

The original suspension of 324 games was reduced to 194, and Bauer was reinstated immediately.

Yeah. Exactly. :!: :!:

Pretty obvious what happened, despite the smokescreens you're trying to throw up because you don't want to admit you're (obviously) wrong.

Can't even just admit that your clients cases were over when the charges against them were dropped (or never brought to begin with). Very disingenuous.

Because all you really want to do is argue with me. Even when you clearly have no argument. 🤡
Thank you for the feedback.

We all come to this forum with varying degrees of reading comprehension, expressing ourselves to the best of our abilities given our limited information and expertise.

Nothing wrong with that.

Nevertheless some issues are too complex for a nonlawyer ... that's nothing to be ashamed of.

Some clients share similar struggles with legal reasoning, but when I explain the law to a difficult client I am doing my job.

However, when a lawyer argues the law with a nonlawyer on a baseball forum it's akin to a teenager beating up on a 9-year-old.

And that's just not cool.

With that I will rest my case.

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Re: Bauer: Would it be a move you would make?

Post by bpj » Wed Jan 04, 2023 7:53 pm

harmony wrote:
Wed Jan 04, 2023 7:49 pm
bpj wrote:
Wed Jan 04, 2023 7:21 pm
harmony wrote:
Wed Jan 04, 2023 5:50 pm

Who raised the goalpost metaphor in this thread?

When a prosecutor decides against filing a criminal charge, that's good news for the client. Nevertheless an attorney should advise the client of potential exposure to civil liability, employer discipline or other collateral actions. Each has its specific legal tests, standards and burdens distinct from the prosecutor's charging decision.

The woman sued Trevor Bauer for alleged sexual battery and battery after Bauer had sued the woman and others (including The Athletic) for defamation. Those cases await their ultimate resolutions.

Bauer faced discipline under the MLB-MLBPA Joint Domestic Violence Policy enacted in 2015. Bauer was the 16th player disciplined under the policy but the first to appeal the league's initial ruling to a neutral arbitrator.

"After an exhaustive review of the available evidence," the neutral arbitrator found Bauer in violation of that policy and upheld the unpaid suspension of 194 games. The original suspension of 324 games was reduced and Bauer was reinstated immediately.

https://www.mlb.com/news/trevor-bauer-r ... suspension

Which raises two questions:

1. Are forum contributors and the arbitrator equally familiar with the legal requirements under the MLB-MLBPA Joint Domestic Violence Policy?
2. Do forum contributors and the arbitrator have the same evidence surrounding the conduct of Bauer and the woman?

The answers to those questions could help determine what weight to give the judgments of forum contributors and the arbitrator.
I raised the goalposts metaphor- because it actually applied.

Saying Bauer moved the goalposts because no charges were brought against him and he filed a civil suit is a clown argument.

And you're still trying to use the fact that Bauer was the one to file a civil suit against the woman, and her civil suit came after he filed, as if that's a negative thing-
The woman sued Trevor Bauer for alleged sexual battery and battery after Bauer had sued the woman and others (including The Athletic) for defamation.
When in reality, any person with half a brain can see what happened there.

Charges were bogus, so he sued her, she got scared that reality was closing in on her and had no choice but to file a countersuit.

The original suspension of 324 games was reduced to 194, and Bauer was reinstated immediately.

Yeah. Exactly. :!: :!:

Pretty obvious what happened, despite the smokescreens you're trying to throw up because you don't want to admit you're (obviously) wrong.

Can't even just admit that your clients cases were over when the charges against them were dropped (or never brought to begin with). Very disingenuous.

Because all you really want to do is argue with me. Even when you clearly have no argument. 🤡
Thank you for the feedback.

We all come to this forum with varying degrees of reading comprehension, expressing ourselves to the best of our abilities given our limited information and expertise.

Nothing wrong with that.

Nevertheless some issues are too complex for a nonlawyer ... that's nothing to be ashamed of.

Some clients share similar struggles with legal reasoning, but when I explain the law to a difficult client I am doing my job.

However, when a lawyer argues the law with a nonlawyer on a baseball forum it's akin to a teenager beating up on a 9-year-old.

And that's just not cool.

With that I will rest my case.
He wasn't charged with a crime. I rest my case.

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Re: Bauer: Would it be a move you would make?

Post by mostonmike » Wed Jan 04, 2023 8:33 pm

Point of order - no one in the UK believes a word printed in the Sun newspaper - apart from perhaps the date at the top. :lol: Let's all agree never to quote from that piece of shit ever again. :!:

Here's part of the reason https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sun_H ... r_coverage

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