Finally! Official Hot Stove League thread!

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Post by ice99 » Wed Dec 13, 2023 3:33 am

acctingman wrote:
Wed Dec 13, 2023 3:24 am
ice99 wrote:
Wed Dec 13, 2023 12:18 am
Bellinger's price just went up, depending on which site's prediction you use.
Like the M's would even consider paying this guy
I was speaking in general. I'm not sure why you took it as an M's target getting further away. 8-)

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Re: Finally! Official Hot Stove League thread!

Post by D-train » Wed Dec 13, 2023 7:48 pm

I swear the dopes on twitter will believe anything. This joker pulled this list out of his ass and they are now discussing the trade like it is a done deal. lol
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Post by Pharmabro » Thu Dec 14, 2023 4:02 am

D-train wrote:
Wed Dec 13, 2023 7:48 pm
I swear the dopes on twitter will believe anything. This joker pulled this list out of his ass and they are now discussing the trade like it is a done deal. lol
India is not better than any of about half a dozen internal candidates. I love how other fan bases are like "India is no longer worthy of starting in our line-up" ~ I wonder if trader Jerry will give us Kirby and Brash for him?

I admit some of my trade proposals are far fetched but at least I will reference the trade calc.

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Re: Finally! Official Hot Stove League thread!

Post by harmony » Thu Dec 14, 2023 5:05 am

D-train wrote:
Wed Dec 13, 2023 7:48 pm
I swear the dopes on twitter will believe anything. This joker pulled this list out of his ass and they are now discussing the trade like it is a done deal. lol
Wednesday in his unveiling of the 2024 ZiPS projections for the Mariners, FanGraphs columnist addressed Jonathan India directly: "(Hopefully Jonathan India stays off Seattle’s trade radar; he’s not actually projected to be much of an upgrade at second.)"

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/2024-zips-p ... -mariners/

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Re: Finally! Official Hot Stove League thread!

Post by GL_Storm » Thu Dec 14, 2023 7:19 am

I think the Giants are paying too much for Jung Hoo Lee. I like the player profile but 18.3 AAV for an unproven contact hitter is a big chunk out of most teams' payrolls. San Francisco can spend, obviously, but they've never spent like the Dodgers or Yankees, and it isn't really clear that they plan to. But maybe they will, maybe that's the plan. Still, it seems like a foolish decision. Even the big spending teams tend to regret this level of spending if the player performance doesn't ultimately justify it. This is similar actually to the Mariners signing Yusei Kikuchi.

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Re: Finally! Official Hot Stove League thread!

Post by Donn Beach » Thu Dec 14, 2023 7:49 am

Giants offered Judge more money than the Yankees, and matched the dodgers offer to ohtani. They needed to sign somebody, he needs to be able to play center field. There's a significant defensive element to it

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Re: Finally! Official Hot Stove League thread!

Post by D-train » Thu Dec 14, 2023 11:06 am

Donn Beach wrote:
Thu Dec 14, 2023 7:49 am
Giants offered Judge more money than the Yankees, and matched the dodgers offer to ohtani. They needed to sign somebody, he needs to be able to play center field. There's a significant defensive element to it
Seems the Giants are having trouble luring players to the liberal shit hole that SF has become. Might be another challenge that Jerry is facing as well.

btw I thought that woman that replaced Mather was going to generate all these amazing revenues that would allow us to increase payroll. WTF happened with that???
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Re: Finally! Official Hot Stove League thread!

Post by Donn Beach » Thu Dec 14, 2023 11:24 am

What happened? Thought the mariners were the most profitable team in baseball. LA and NYC, bastions of conservation

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Re: Finally! Official Hot Stove League thread!

Post by harmony » Thu Dec 14, 2023 2:45 pm

harmony wrote:
Thu Dec 14, 2023 5:05 am
D-train wrote:
Wed Dec 13, 2023 7:48 pm
I swear the dopes on twitter will believe anything. This joker pulled this list out of his ass and they are now discussing the trade like it is a done deal. lol
Wednesday in his unveiling of the 2024 ZiPS projections for the Mariners, FanGraphs columnist Dan Szymborski addressed Jonathan India directly: "(Hopefully Jonathan India stays off Seattle’s trade radar; he’s not actually projected to be much of an upgrade at second.)"

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/2024-zips-p ... -mariners/

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Re: Finally! Official Hot Stove League thread!

Post by D-train » Thu Dec 14, 2023 3:22 pm

Cabby put up 2.4 WAR in 280 PAs
Rojas put up 0.8 WAR in 134 PAs
Moore put up 0.5 WAR in 165 PAs
Total 3.7 WAR in 579 PAs

India put up 1.4 WAR in 529 (=1.5 WAR in 579 PAs)
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