M’s get Luis Urias from red sox

[Pharmabro]

He has $14.4M of value on Trade values. JK is at $12.5M

It's a risk. He went from Cy Young numbers to being demoted to AAA in a single season. An absolute implosion.

The way I see it is we have tried the JK experiment. We have done everything we could reasonably do, and the fact is JK is not playing to his potential. At this point, he is a known commodity. I don't think trotting him out there for another year is going to change anything. He'll be streaky. He'll swing at stuff way outside the strike zone. He'll throw pissy temper tantrums and kick Gatorade coolers. He'll put up 2.0 WAR and be right around 100 OPS+

In other words, we know what we're going to get with JK. Nothing will likely change next year.

But Manoah - he could potentially bounce back and become a TOR guy, eat 190 innings, strike out 180 batters, and give you a 2.80 ERA

He has the potential to be the bounce back payer of the year next year. Who knows what was going on - it doesn't seem physical, so it must have been mental.

I don't think the M's do a good job developing hitters, but we do a pretty good job with our pitchers. So there's a lot of potential here that our pitching staff can work with. So I say get rid of a guy who is league average for a guy who could potentially be lights out again.

You have no idea what JK is going to be next year. And neither do I. I know he went off and worked on his game and it seemed to work through ST and his 1st 2 months of regular season games.
.277 .333 .513 .846
His next 2 months
.214 .302 .328 .630
The last month
.261 .370 .283 .653 ( His last 54 PAs he only had 1 XBH but the .261 average and .370 OBP were signs of coming out of the slump.

I we could trade with the Jays as something like JK and Juan Then for Alek I would be fine with it. But we don't know that the M's pitching whispers the magic words of wisdom into Alek's ear. I don't know if the BJs think they can revamp him or not.

JK was mentally tougher this year. He improved his eye as the season went along.

I have brought up the Jose Ramirez comps before:
Jose R
Age 21 266 PAs 81 OPS+
Age 22 355 PAs 69 OPS+
Age 23 114 OPS+
Age 24 145 OPS+

JK
21 72 OPS+ (337 PAs)
22 55 OPS+ (163 PAs)
23 109 OPS+
24 ?????

I think JK takes another step forward in 2024. But I could be wrong. If JK gets you Alek and Alek allows you to trade say Gilbert and Miller for 2 similarly valued hitters.

Alek is a whacko he throws a 139 and then a 172 ERA+ and then drops a 72.

I doubt the BJs are ready to give up on him.

[D-train]

JKs 1st 21 games: .343/.395/.726/1.121
Final 84 games: .231/.310/.345/.655

He was great for 3 weeks of a 6 month season and his last HR was on June 9th.

And if you think throwing a tantrum like a child and kicking a cooler so hard you break year foot costing you two months of the season and Possibly your team the playoffs is mental toughness I don't know what to tell you.

He is obviously better than he was the first two nightmare seasons but he is a lot closer to those final 84 game performance than the first 21. Best case he is Kole Calhoun with a weirdo personality.

[Pharmabro]

I am kind of warming to Urias.

I was watching some highlights he flashes some really good fielding at SS and 3b.
Looking at that 70-grade hit tool from back in the day.

I am pretty sure 2023 was just an injury plagued bad-luck year for him. It sounds like he injured his hamstring early on and just never got his bearings. In 20 games with the Brew Crew he his to a 50 OPS+ and then after being traded to the Sox he had a .698 OPS (91OPS+). In 2021 and 2022 at the ages of 24 and 25 he averaged a 110 OPS+ and was a 20 doubles 20 HR guy.

I think they have him penciled into 3B as their every day guy.

And I bitched about spending 3.5M on Rojas, 3.133M on Moore, 800K on Haggerty 4.7M on Urias. But now we are saving 8M switching out Geno for Luis.

We need to see that 8M and more to upgrade.

The Offense is down these guys
Geno 162 Games 2.3 WAR 101 OPS+
Teo 160 games 2.1 WAR 106 OPS+
Ford 83 games 0.8 WAR 122 OPS+
Murphy 47 games 1.2 WAR 142 OPS+

They combined for 392 hits, 240 RBI, 189 runs, 175 walks/HBP, 567 times on base, 6.4 WAR , I don't know what kind of stats you want use but we just lost a lot of production. Ford was listed as the starter at DH we are 2-3 starters and a key bench bat.

The M's have to get a legit upgrade or two and I mean Ohtani at DH, and Nootbar in the outfield.