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Bringing our Ace home my 3 point offseason plan
Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2025 9:49 pm
by Pharmabro
I think we need to improve in all 3 phases of the game and here is my dreaming big plan with a dash of reality mixed in.
1st. My plan relies on improving our rotation by adding a legit Ace (Skubal)
2. Adding to at least 1 improvement to the BP to start the year.
I have a bit of a thought that you will see some improvement from the BP with-in:
But you start with Munoz, Brash, Buzzardo, and Speier. That is a solid top 4 but just like Buzzardo improved you could see the step up comes from guys like: Vargas, Emerson Hancock, Kowar, Lego, and a return to health of Gregory Santos.
3. We definitely need to improve the lineup over hate it was over the beginning of the year: last year we had injuries to Raley, Polanco, and Robles. And so you gotta have alternatives should you have a guy or two be unavailable. But My aim is to start out the year as approximately = to out post trade position player stack.
1st go get Seattle U’s own T. Skubal. He is a high Velocity lefty stud that we have not seen the likes of since Randy. He’s valued at 51 Mill on MLBTC So something like Anderson 30M, Miller 11M, Jurangelo 16M is the package for arguments sake. There are plenty of packages that could be made but that is what I would think would be a compelling one.
2nd re-up with Jorge and Josh Nails. Josh has been a 2-WAR player and I think we could get them both on 2-3 years deals at 14 to 19 Mil
3rd: 3rd Base

:: We could do Donavan, or do Geno, but just to have a different long time target. DC’s CJ Abrams 26M Trade calc: he has averaged about 38 Sb, 19 HR, 3.4 BWAR, 31 doubles 6 triples the last 3 years and in the last 2 he has been a 110 OPS+ guy. My thoughts here are he is the JP replacement, or just a superior range 3B kinda like a Matt Chapman type 3B. He has only played into his age 24 season and we would get 3 years. My headliner would be Farmelo 20M, Tai Pete 6M, Teddy M 2.5, Josh Caron 1.5M and a comp pick or similar value. Maybe you throw in like a comp Rd. Pick probably 3-6M in value just to give them the win. With CJ you get a younger potential super star and a possible JP replacement. For now you improve your range over a guy like Geno, you improve on the bases and you get decent power.
4th. Improve the BP. 1 of 2 ways improve on LHBP which is bettering over Fergy. It would be a lot more pricey to improve from the right handed side which has about 8 guys that can push it 97-98+ and has at least 1 other +, if not ++ pitch or two. FA options include Gregory Santos who has high velocity in his history like 102 FB with a 95 MPH slider but had an injury last year and a velocity dip. There are some other decent guys in FA but he has a 100 ERA+ career but Seattle could be particularly appealing to him since our home park limits walks and hits better than any other park and those appear to be his weakness. He has a K-RATE of 9-11+ /9 and limits HR. I don’t know what a 30 year-old lefty with elite velocity but average results fetches? In the absolute best landing spot for him I say a 1 year 3 M with an 6M dollar club option.
Re: Bringing our Ace home my 3 point offseason plan
Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2025 10:24 pm
by desbcoach
Pharmabro wrote: ↑Tue Nov 04, 2025 9:49 pm
I think we need to improve in all 3 phases of the game and here is my dreaming big plan with a dash of reality mixed in.
1st. My plan relies on improving our rotation by adding a legit Ace (Skubal)
2. Adding to at least 1 improvement to the BP to start the year.
I have a bit of a thought that you will see some improvement from the BP with-in:
But you start with Munoz, Brash, Buzzardo, and Speier. That is a solid top 4 but just like Buzzardo improved you could see the step up comes from guys like: Vargas, Emerson Hancock, Kowar, Lego, and a return to health of Gregory Santos.
3. We definitely need to improve the lineup over hate it was over the beginning of the year: last year we had injuries to Raley, Polanco, and Robles. And so you gotta have alternatives should you have a guy or two be unavailable. But My aim is to start out the year as approximately = to out post trade position player stack.
1st go get Seattle U’s own T. Skubal. He is a high Velocity lefty stud that we have not seen the likes of since Randy. He’s valued at 51 Mill on MLBTC So something like Anderson 30M, Miller 11M, Jurangelo 16M is the package for arguments sake. There are plenty of packages that could be made but that is what I would think would be a compelling one.
2nd re-up with Jorge and Josh Nails. Josh has been a 2-WAR player and I think we could get them both on 2-3 years deals at 14 to 19 Mil
3rd: 3rd Base

:: We could do Donavan, or do Geno, but just to have a different long time target. DC’s CJ Abrams 26M Trade calc: he has averaged about 38 Sb, 19 HR, 3.4 BWAR, 31 doubles 6 triples the last 3 years and in the last 2 he has been a 110 OPS+ guy. My thoughts here are he is the JP replacement, or just a superior range 3B kinda like a Matt Chapman type 3B. He has only played into his age 24 season and we would get 3 years. My headliner would be Farmelo 20M, Tai Pete 6M, Teddy M 2.5, Josh Caron 1.5M and a comp pick or similar value. Maybe you throw in like a comp Rd. Pick probably 3-6M in value just to give them the win. With CJ you get a younger potential super star and a possible JP replacement. For now you improve your range over a guy like Geno, you improve on the bases and you get decent power.
4th. Improve the BP. 1 of 2 ways improve on LHBP which is bettering over Fergy. It would be a lot more pricey to improve from the right handed side which has about 8 guys that can push it 97-98+ and has at least 1 other +, if not ++ pitch or two. FA options include Gregory Santos who has high velocity in his history like 102 FB with a 95 MPH slider but had an injury last year and a velocity dip. There are some other decent guys in FA but he has a 100 ERA+ career but Seattle could be particularly appealing to him since our home park limits walks and hits better than any other park and those appear to be his weakness. He has a K-RATE of 9-11+ /9 and limits HR. I don’t know what a 30 year-old lefty with elite velocity but average results fetches? In the absolute best landing spot for him I say a 1 year 3 M with an 6M dollar club option.
Not willing to give up that much for 1 year of Skubal, Proven MLB pitcher and 2 top 100 pitchers is a huge overpay compared to what Brewers got for Burnes who was a cy young. 34th comp pick and a SS and pitcher not in top,100. Skubal better yes but not at that price
Re: Bringing our Ace home my 3 point offseason plan
Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2025 11:05 pm
by Pharmabro
I think you have to “overpay” for premium assets be it in 13 year deals, or AAV, or prospects going out.
But I would like our chances with decent health.
I would also consider trading Luis Castillo for some salary relief.
But, the only thing I am not 100% on is Geno < CJ, or Geno > CJ.
I know his range is reduced but the cannon arm is still legit from Geno.
Re: Bringing our Ace home my 3 point offseason plan
Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2025 11:15 pm
by Pharmabro
Lineup:
1. Julio CF
2. Cal C **
3. Randy LF
4. Polo 2B **
5. Naylor* 1B
6. Raley* DH
7. CJ* 3B
8. Robles/Canzone RF R/L
9. JP SS
Bench: Ford C, Robles/, 2 of (Young, Taylor, Bliss, Rivas, Ben) etc
Re: Bringing our Ace home my 3 point offseason plan
Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2025 2:21 am
by HawkandMariner88
Any trade for Tarik has to come with an extension otherwise no deal. That's what makes that complicated. Seattle has shown they'd spend especially on pitchers. The CJ one is new. It's tough because you wanna go young the thing is you don't know how good these young guys can be, especially Emerson & Farmelo. It's easy to say trade for a CJ type. I think hopefully getting Santos back will help a bit. Still might wanna look at the reliever route, especially another lefty out of the pen. If you really wanna be ballsy instead of targeting a guy like Skubal who has Boras as his agent. Any dude is available for the right price. I know I've mentioned this before. What are the odds a team A) trades the farm for 1 season of Skubal & B) has the ability to re-sign him long term. Instead of going that route which we all want, why not go after a guy we know is not gonna re-sign with his current team in Skenes. I mean you can pretty much book it. In the last 10-15 years how many of their best players have they extended. We all know for a fact their not gonna re-sign Skenes so why not put together the best package possible & make Pittsburgh an offer they can't refuse. Like seriously. We have the most depth out of anybody.
Re: Bringing our Ace home my 3 point offseason plan
Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2025 7:25 am
by harmony
Pharmabro wrote: ↑Tue Nov 04, 2025 9:49 pm
I think we need to improve in all 3 phases of the game and here is my dreaming big plan with a dash of reality mixed in.
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3rd: 3rd Base

:: We could do Donavan, or do Geno, but just to have a different long time target.
DC’s CJ Abrams 26M Trade calc: he has averaged about 38 Sb, 19 HR, 3.4 BWAR, 31 doubles 6 triples the last 3 years and in the last 2 he has been a 110 OPS+ guy. My thoughts here are he is the JP replacement, or just a superior range 3B kinda like a Matt Chapman type 3B. He has only played into his age 24 season and we would get 3 years. My headliner would be Farmelo 20M, Tai Pete 6M, Teddy M 2.5, Josh Caron 1.5M and a comp pick or similar value. Maybe you throw in like a comp Rd. Pick probably 3-6M in value just to give them the win. With CJ you get a younger potential super star and a possible JP replacement. For now you improve your range over a guy like Geno, you improve on the bases and you get decent power.
In 602 professional games, CJ Abrams has never played third base.
At shortstop, the 25-year-old Abrams has ranked near the bottom defensively, including range:
https://archive.fieldingbible.com/DRSLeaderboard
https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders/major ... &pagenum=1
https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders/major ... &pagenum=1
This season
Statcast gave Abrams a negative 8 in range at shortstop while assigning Eugenio Suarez a negative 3 in range at third base.
Can Abrams roam the outfield (where he's played 30 innings in his professional career)? Is his projected salary of $5.6 million too much for a designated hitter?
Re: Bringing our Ace home my 3 point offseason plan
Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2025 7:30 am
by bpj
The thing about players with one year left is they come relatively cheap compared to long term guys.
If we could get Skubal for a 2026 playoff push for one of our prospects that's blocked and we don't have better offers on the table for that player? I'm pulling the trigger...
Skubal and Skenes were two of the only true aces imo. That's exactly what I'd want to add.
Re: Bringing our Ace home my 3 point offseason plan
Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2025 8:38 am
by Bil522
bpj wrote: ↑Wed Nov 05, 2025 7:30 am
The thing about players with one year left is they come relatively cheap compared to long term guys.
If we could get Skubal for a 2026 playoff push for one of our prospects that's blocked and we don't have better offers on the table for that player? I'm pulling the trigger...
Skubal and Skenes were two of the only true aces imo. That's exactly what I'd want to add.
Problem is Detroit's farm is almost as good as ours is, so their cupboard is pretty well stocked...Skenes would be an "Easier" get.
Re: Bringing our Ace home my 3 point offseason plan
Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2025 11:16 am
by Optimistic M's Fan
There is absolutely no chance in hell that I'm gutting our farm for a pitcher that will only be here 1 year. He isn't signing an extension and we sure as hell aren't ponying up 400 mil for a pitcher. That is absolutely ridiculous. I'm fine rolling out the pitching we have -Castillo. Trade him for a good reliever. Sign Naylor for 1st. Trade for a decent right fielder, and maybe go after Casas or Yandy to be the DH. Both would be able to be had for relatively cheap. Finally, I say go for Lowe from TB for 2nd. Bleacher report put up that idea the other day as well, trading for Lowe and Yandy in the same deal. I'm fine with that.
Randy
Julio
Cal
Naylor
Yandy
New RF
Lowe
Williamson
JP
That is a playoff team. No horrible long term contracts dragging us down either, and in our budget range. I'm all for it.
Re: Bringing our Ace home my 3 point offseason plan
Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2025 3:55 pm
by D-train
I know he went to Seattle U but he was born and raised in AZ and still lives there. Bringing him home is a stretch but I would love to have him.