Haniger trade ideas

[D-train]

Early for significant trades but its clear now that Mitch should be traded so I will start:

The Trade
Mitch to the Pads for 20 yo SS CJ Abrams (I know IstillLovetheM's isn't ready to give up on his hero JP but oh well)

The Return
Abrams is the the #8 prospect in baseball currently hitting .303/.856 in AA.

Abrams garnered honors as Georgia’s Gatorade High School Player of the Year as a senior at Blessed Trinity Catholic High (Roswell, Ga.) in 2019, when he also separated himself from his Draft class peers with his elite blend of athleticism, speed and pure hitting ability. The Padres took Abrams with the No. 6 overall pick that June and signed him for below-slot value at $5.2 million, then watched him win the Rookie Arizona League MVP Award -- batting .401 with 23 extra-base hits and 14 steals in 32 games -- and reach Class A Fort Wayne in his pro debut. He was even better in ‘20, showing more polish and strength to go along with his loud tools, albeit at the Padres’ alternate training site and fall instructional league camp.

Abrams’ top-of-the-scale speed is a game-changing tool that makes him an impact player on both sides of the ball. The strength Abrams has added to his ultra-projectable frame since signing shows in his ability to drive the ball and do damage from the left side, and scouts now like his chances of developing at least average game power to go along with a plus bat. Abrams’ speed and penchant for making hard contact give him both a high ceiling and floor as a hitter -- the latter a product of his ability to steal hits on the infield and stretch singles into extra bases.

Abrams’ biggest improvement in 2020 came on the defensive side thanks to his work with the coaching staff at San Diego’s alternate training site. His speed and quickness give him tremendous range in all directions, and he has the hands, actions and plus arm strength needed to make all the plays. And while a move to either second base or center field in deference to Fernando Tatis Jr. may be unavoidable, any such position change shouldn’t keep Abrams from reaching his potential.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/regi ... rams000pau

The Rationale
From our perspective: Our season is clearly over and we need a SS of the future. Mitch is by far our best trade chip, is 30 yo and is an FA after next season.

From the Padres perspective: They are OBVIOUSLY in win now mode, Abrams is kinda blocked by some kid named Ferdy Titass and their OF is full of weak AF hitters:

LF: Pham .193/.603
CF: Profar .252/.663
RF: Myers .250/.746

Mitch is hitting .256/.868 and has put up 1.4 WAR (on pace for nearly 5 WAR) good for a tie for fourth in baseball for RFs and would be a huge offensive upgrade vs any of the three stooges in their OF.

https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx? ... 2021-12-31

Other Considerations
Given that Adams is killing it right now and has probably jumped into the top 5 overall we may have to offer more than just Mitch. Perhaps give them Munoz or Trammell back along with Mitch (Maybe they would settle for Mitch and Torrens?)

Thoughts?

[Donn Beach]

Come on, let's have a real impact, Terry Franconia

[D-train]

To Donn's point, F-ing Pads have Tatis and a top 5 SS prospect in Adams in the Wings. We have JP at SS and Marte in the wings. Marte has been great so far but is only 18 yo. Adams could take over at SS almost immediately and by OD 2022 at the latest.

[D-train]

Come on, let's have a real impact, Terry Franconia

That would take trading JK and JRod for him. Intriguing but too steep a price. Besides the the Indians fans would go ballistic if we sent them SS.

[AT Funchal-Madeira]

Early for significant trades but its clear now that Mitch should be traded so I will start:

The Trade
Mitch to the Pads for 20 yo SS CJ Abrams (I know IstillLovetheM's isn't ready to give up on his hero JP but oh well)

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Thoughts?

Well, I like where you are going with this possible trade. Paul Christopher Abrams ( where does he get the handle "CJ" out of that? Abrams at 6-2 and 185 is a perfect Jeter type size. His splits are unusual in that it appears he is killing left hand pitching and merely average against righties. Some concern there. We need more left hand bats. He was a first round pick, #6? It may be tough to pry him away from the Padres, but Haniger is our best player right now and likely at the top of his value.... if the Padres are truly going for it, as they should... they should consider this trade. Honestly, I would rather make an offer for Tucupita Mercano who could play either short or second.... He's a bit closer and has excellent bat to ball skills and pitch recognition. I have no worries about blocking Marte. He can play 3 infield spots. I know if we jettison Haniger, our team likely loses more games this year, which doesn't bother me. Perhaps we could offer Haniger straight up for Abrams and see if that's rejected to counter for Mercano.

[Captain 97]

If they trade Hanniger you can kiss competing in the next 3 years goodbye. I am not sure I can stomach that.

[ddraig]

Is 2022 looking like a year we will contend? Sorry, but we've been in rebuild mode since 1978 except for the Lou/Pat years. Do things look any different now? We have been, and will remain, the AAAA farm team for the rest of MLB. Yeah, there is hope on the horizon, but I don't see much changing within the organization. They are satisfied to be rubbing elbows withthe other clubs, but winning? Why bother.

[D-train]

If they trade Hanniger you can kiss competing in the next 3 years goodbye. I am not sure I can stomach that.

Only season in jeopardy is 2022 and JRod might be ready by then or you can sign a replacement for Haniger and Adams will be ready to take over at SS. He is an FA after 2022 and we aren't even going to try this season. 28 teams have won WSs without Haniger so I think its possible.

[D-train]

Early for significant trades but its clear now that Mitch should be traded so I will start:

The Trade
Mitch to the Pads for 20 yo SS CJ Abrams (I know IstillLovetheM's isn't ready to give up on his hero JP but oh well)

[

Thoughts?

Well, I like where you are going with this possible trade. Paul Christopher Abrams ( where does he get the handle "CJ" out of that? Abrams at 6-2 and 185 is a perfect Jeter type size. His splits are unusual in that it appears he is killing left hand pitching and merely average against righties. Some concern there. We need more left hand bats. He was a first round pick, #6? It may be tough to pry him away from the Padres, but Haniger is our best player right now and likely at the top of his value.... if the Padres are truly going for it, as they should... they should consider this trade. Honestly, I would rather make an offer for Tucupita Mercano who could play either short or second.... He's a bit closer and has excellent bat to ball skills and pitch recognition. I have no worries about blocking Marte. He can play 3 infield spots. I know if we jettison Haniger, our team likely loses more games this year, which doesn't bother me. Perhaps we could offer Haniger straight up for Abrams and see if that's rejected to counter for Mercano.

Not seeing any indication that Mercano can hit. .660 OPS in A ball? .500 OPS between AAA and the bigs this season.

Abrams is the #8 prospect in baseball and Mercano isn't even in the top 100. Sorry, but that would be like wanting Jake Fraley instead of Kelenic only Fraley has actually hit in AA/AAA.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/regi ... rcan000tuc

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[D-train]

Also note:

And while a move to either second base or center field in deference to Fernando Tatis Jr. may be unavoidable, any such position change shouldn’t keep Abrams from reaching his potential.