Trade targets By team. I am focused on probable's

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Trade targets By team. I am focused on probable's

Post by Pharmabro » Sat Oct 09, 2021 4:23 am

Twins
Donaldson was a 127 OPS+ bat in 2021 and is owed 50 million for the next two years. The Twins traded Beriios and Cruz so are they thinking they are winning in 2022? The Twins don't have any good rotation parts for 2022 and Seattle has some good pitching prospects.

Donaldson was once a MVP candidate. He is still good but not great but paid elite money for his age 36 and 37 seasons. In 135 games he was worth 3.2 WAR. The acquisition cost is variable it is probably pretty low if the Twins don't kick in cash. Or, who knows we could be looking at a KC and Whit situation where they ask for the moon. And, really the Twins could sign or trade for 2 or 3 starters and rally behind Donaldson-Buxton-Polonco and challenge for the division.

2B Polonco he is going to be 28 and has 4 years potentially and 2 years for sure but is only 5.5 and then 7.5 next 2 years and like 23Million for the final 2 vested options. He was a 125 OPS+ 2B last year a covid 82 OPS+ and then in 2019 a 121 OPS+. 110 OPS+ career. No run game bonus but in 152 games he put up 30+ doubles and HRs and 4.8 WAR and is underpaid.
It would take premium + [premium } to get.

2B Luiz Arraez has a 245 game MLB slash of .313 .374 .403 .777 113 OPS+ FA in 2025
Again a higher end type but he doesn't have the power of Polonco you are just hoping he develops it.

CF Buxton is a FA next year and the last 3 years has looked like an MVP candidate if healthy all year. in 61 games last year he was worth 4.5 BWAR 171 OPS+. I don't see a fit.

C Mitch Garver 2 years of control 124 OPS+ career. 140 last year. Maybe if you are looking to offload one of: Murphy-Torrens-Cal.
Garver hasd a 90 game 157 OPS+ in 2019 a Covid 42 and then a 140 OPS+ 2021.

Az. DBacks
2B, CF, SS Ketel Marte# .318 .377 .532 .909 143
He has a team-friendly 2022 8.4 then options for 8 and 10 million.

Co Rock.
German M. 108 ERA+ this year he faded down the stretch. His peak was a 138 ERA+ 2020 and a 125 ERA+ 2016. 115 ERA+ career and I could see him step up his game in Safeco.
He is 26 and goes
11.3
15.3
and 16M with a 2.5 M buyout and a 500k escalator for top 5 CY

Pitt
OF Bryan Reynolds (age 26) 3 years of a 128 OPS+, SH, 3 years of control

Wa Nats
Soto* 3 years of control OF MVP 160 OPS+ career
Expensive
Cheap
1B Josh Bell# 118 OPS+ career (124 last year) 1 year control

Miami
SP RHP Pablo López 3 years of control last 2 years 31 starts 126, 136 ERA+ {105 career}
Sandy Alcantara SP RHP 6'5" 121 ERA+ career 131 and 152 last 2 3 years control
LH BP Richard Bleier career 149 ERA+ 1 year left

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Re: Trade targets By team. I am focused on probable's

Post by Pharmabro » Sat Oct 09, 2021 5:55 am

Balt
SP John Means 122 ERA+ 3 years control

Det.
1B/3B Jeimer Candelario# SH last 201 games (2 years) 21=122OPS+ , 2020 137 OPS+ }{ Just 102 OPS+ career } 2 years control Mainly 3B He will be 28 next year

Clev
Everybody knows the Jose Ramirez# 3B - 2B -SS -OF 126 OPS+ career coming off a 140 OPS+ He will be 29 coming off a 6.7 WAR year. He is owed 11 then 13M for both the next two years
OF DH Franmil Reyes 3 years control 121 career OPS+

SP Shane Beiber 137 ERA+ Ace*****

Thing is with both Beiber and J Ram Cleveland has a couple of Aces and an MVP player in house. Why would they not think they can add to their .500 club and compete. They have about 4 superstars.

LAA
Ohtani SP / DH 158 OPS+ 141 ERA+ 2 years of control.
It still pisses me off that we had the most money for him but he was like Buddy relationship with LAA the whole time/ LA is a Joke. MVP Trout, and Ohtani and they ain't winning.

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Post by GL_Storm » Sat Oct 09, 2021 6:19 pm

The situation in Minnesota is an odd one. It looks like they need to do a rebuild, but what does the ownership and management there think about that? Buxton and Polanco are great, great pieces but Buxton can't stay healthy and won't sign an extension. BA ranked their farm system eighth, which is fine, but they don't have any elite-level prospects. I think if I was a fan, I would have a tough time seeing what the plan is.

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Post by DavidGee24 » Sat Oct 09, 2021 7:53 pm

GL_Storm wrote:
Sat Oct 09, 2021 6:19 pm
The situation in Minnesota is an odd one. It looks like they need to do a rebuild, but what does the ownership and management there think about that? Buxton and Polanco are great, great pieces but Buxton can't stay healthy and won't sign an extension. BA ranked their farm system eighth, which is fine, but they don't have any elite-level prospects. I think if I was a fan, I would have a tough time seeing what the plan is.
They built themselves a playoff team, couldn't even win one playoff game, and now they've fallen apart and they're in a pickle where they're going to be awful for at least the next few years.

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Post by AT Funchal-Madeira » Sat Oct 09, 2021 9:18 pm

DavidGee24 wrote:
Sat Oct 09, 2021 7:53 pm
GL_Storm wrote:
Sat Oct 09, 2021 6:19 pm
The situation in Minnesota is an odd one. It looks like they need to do a rebuild, but what does the ownership and management there think about that? Buxton and Polanco are great, great pieces but Buxton can't stay healthy and won't sign an extension. BA ranked their farm system eighth, which is fine, but they don't have any elite-level prospects. I think if I was a fan, I would have a tough time seeing what the plan is.
They built themselves a playoff team, couldn't even win one playoff game, and now they've fallen apart and they're in a pickle where they're going to be awful for at least the next few years.
Who knows? We might have said the same thing about Boston at the end of last year. Or maybe even Tampa Bay after they traded away their top threee pitchers after losing the World Series....

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Re: Trade targets By team. I am focused on probable's

Post by DavidGee24 » Sun Oct 10, 2021 8:28 pm

AT Funchal-Madeira wrote:
Sat Oct 09, 2021 9:18 pm
DavidGee24 wrote:
Sat Oct 09, 2021 7:53 pm
GL_Storm wrote:
Sat Oct 09, 2021 6:19 pm
The situation in Minnesota is an odd one. It looks like they need to do a rebuild, but what does the ownership and management there think about that? Buxton and Polanco are great, great pieces but Buxton can't stay healthy and won't sign an extension. BA ranked their farm system eighth, which is fine, but they don't have any elite-level prospects. I think if I was a fan, I would have a tough time seeing what the plan is.
They built themselves a playoff team, couldn't even win one playoff game, and now they've fallen apart and they're in a pickle where they're going to be awful for at least the next few years.
Who knows? We might have said the same thing about Boston at the end of last year. Or maybe even Tampa Bay after they traded away their top threee pitchers after losing the World Series....
The Sox in 2020 seemed to have just had one of those seasons where a lot of players didn't play up to their norms,but it was a short season and they have better players than the Twins do. I can't see the Twins bouncing back. The Rays you can't compare because they've had no regression. Amazing how they've become the ideal model on how to run a franchise.

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Post by D-train » Sun Oct 10, 2021 8:30 pm

Giants are the craziest. I remember when we beat the 2 of 3 opening weekend and people said it didn't matter because they weren't a good team.
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Re: Trade targets By team. I am focused on probable's

Post by bpj » Mon Oct 11, 2021 8:28 am

I think the Mariners and Padres could work out an interesting deal for both parties.

They need payroll flexibility and had dugout tension.

Wil Myers (1yr/23.5M)
Manny Machado (7yr/210M)
Blake Snell (2yr/30M)
Joe Musgrove (1yr/10M)
Eric Hosmer (4yr/60M)

for

Evan White
Mitch Haniger
Marco Gonzales
Jake Fraley
+whatever prospects

Obviously too huge of a trade to predict what it would really take, and we may not really want a couple of those guys, but to make the trade cost not hurt as badly I would absorb salary.

Hosmer and Myers are still better shots at LF and DH/backup1B than we currently have.

They could dive back into free agency, we could avoid it.

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Post by Pharmabro » Mon Oct 11, 2021 7:06 pm

bpj wrote:
Mon Oct 11, 2021 8:28 am
I think the Mariners and Padres could work out an interesting deal for both parties.

They need payroll flexibility and had dugout tension.

Wil Myers (1yr/23.5M)
Manny Machado (7yr/210M)
Blake Snell (2yr/30M)
Joe Musgrove (1yr/10M)
Eric Hosmer (4yr/60M) His last 3 full years he has been just under a 100 OPS+ bat 2020 132

for

Evan White
Mitch Haniger
Marco Gonzales
Jake Fraley
+whatever prospects

Obviously too huge of a trade to predict what it would really take, and we may not really want a couple of those guys, but to make the trade cost not hurt as badly I would absorb salary.

Hosmer and Myers are still better shots at LF and DH/backup1B than we currently have.

They could dive back into free agency, we could avoid it.
That is a lot to try to wrap my head around
7/210 on Manny coming of a 131 OPS+ age 28 year (3B) A need

Musgrove pitched to a 122 ERA+ and is a good deal for 1/10M

Snell is still young 2/30M but only had a 92 ERA+ in Padre's lap.

Hosmer is way overpaid 4/60M and had the same OPS+ as Seager His last 3 full years he has been just under a 100 OPS+ bat 2020 132 (negative trade value)

Myers was worth less than 1 WAR and 23.5M? negative trade value again

But, Never going to happen.

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Post by GL_Storm » Mon Oct 11, 2021 7:26 pm

Pharmabro wrote:
Mon Oct 11, 2021 7:06 pm

That is a lot to try to wrap my head around
7/210 on Manny coming of a 131 OPS+ age 28 year (3B) A need

Musgrove pitched to a 122 ERA+ and is a good deal for 1/10M

Snell is still young 2/30M but only had a 92 ERA+ in Padre's lap.

Hosmer is way overpaid 4/60M and had the same OPS+ as Seager His last 3 full years he has been just under a 100 OPS+ bat 2020 132 (negative trade value)

Myers was worth less than 1 WAR and 23.5M? negative trade value again

But, Never going to happen.
I'd be interested in Manny, Musgrove, and Snell, but Hosmer and Myers might be too much. Hosmer especially just seems like a real waste of money that goes on for years. Myers is a disappointment as a player, but at least it's just a one-year budget hit, and there's always the chance he overperforms in the last year of his contract.

I could see the Padres trying to do something like this though, if the owner buys into the idea of a reset. But I doubt Preller is even pushing that right now as it would mean admitting failure. They probably need to endure one more season of mediocrity before Preller himself gets fired, and then they can bring in someone new and do an actual rebuild.

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