Time to KIRB(Y) our lousy offense G.T 9/22/22

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Re: Time to KIRB(Y) our lousy offense G.T 9/22/22

Post by harmony » Fri Sep 23, 2022 8:52 pm

bpj wrote:
Fri Sep 23, 2022 8:45 pm
harmony wrote:
Fri Sep 23, 2022 8:13 pm
bpj wrote:
Fri Sep 23, 2022 7:39 pm


They could add Abreu for the dollars they save from getting rid of Marco and Flexen.

They've been penny pinching for years now.

On a one or two year contract, it shouldn't be a hindrance to any other signings.

They could fix this lineup pretty cheap even adding two mid-size contracts, doesn't need to be Abreu.

Adding Josh Bell, Bryan Reynolds, Carlos Rodon and Christian Walker would hardly raise our current payroll.

Walker and Bell are basically like adding another 2 Ty Frances to the lineup.

Reynolds LF
Julio CF
Suarez 3B
Bell 1B
France 2B
Walker DH
Raleigh/Murphy C
Kelenic/Lewis RF
Crawford SS

UTIL
Moore/Haggerty/Lewis

Castillo
Rodon
Gilbert
Ray
Kirby

That's a division contender, especially with our bullpen. There aren't many true impact bats available outside of Judge, but the above lineup is incredibly deep with plenty of everything.
Whom do the Mariners trade for Bryan Reynolds and Christian Walker?

What are the expected returns on trades of Marco Gonzales and Chris Flexen, who have a combined trade value of a negative $11.6 million at Baseball Trade Values ?

https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/teams/478/

Wish lists are fine but concrete proposals are more meaningful.
The expected returns are $14M in payroll saved by trading them for a bag of balls, and an open rotation spot.

Fill the rotation spot with another great pitcher (using the money saved on Marco and Flexen), then it opens up several trade possibilities for Reynolds.

Hancock+ seems like a good start to the package for 3 years of Reynolds control when we would have a full rotation after we add Rodon.

If it's hard to get bats to sign here, have to maximize pitching and trade from that depth to get the bats.
A trade partner for Marco Gonzales and Chris Flexen will not give up a bag of ball to assume $11 million in negative value.

That's not how business works.

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Re: Time to KIRB(Y) our lousy offense G.T 9/22/22

Post by desbcoach » Fri Sep 23, 2022 8:54 pm

D-train wrote:
Fri Sep 23, 2022 8:28 pm
Walker is only worth $1.1M so should be able to pull that off straight up for Flexen who is also worth $1M. Throw in a mid level prospect to finish the deal.

I noticed that Ketel Marte is at -$34.7M :shock:

https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/teams/498/

Will have to pay some of Marco's salary and would like get a lottery pick prospect back for him.

Here is your Reynolds trade:

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Pitts has a couple of young SS , why would they Crawford th

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Re: Time to KIRB(Y) our lousy offense G.T 9/22/22

Post by bpj » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:02 pm

harmony wrote:
Fri Sep 23, 2022 8:52 pm
bpj wrote:
Fri Sep 23, 2022 8:45 pm
harmony wrote:
Fri Sep 23, 2022 8:13 pm

Whom do the Mariners trade for Bryan Reynolds and Christian Walker?

What are the expected returns on trades of Marco Gonzales and Chris Flexen, who have a combined trade value of a negative $11.6 million at Baseball Trade Values ?

https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/teams/478/

Wish lists are fine but concrete proposals are more meaningful.
The expected returns are $14M in payroll saved by trading them for a bag of balls, and an open rotation spot.

Fill the rotation spot with another great pitcher (using the money saved on Marco and Flexen), then it opens up several trade possibilities for Reynolds.

Hancock+ seems like a good start to the package for 3 years of Reynolds control when we would have a full rotation after we add Rodon.

If it's hard to get bats to sign here, have to maximize pitching and trade from that depth to get the bats.
A trade partner for Marco Gonzales and Chris Flexen will not give up a bag of ball to assume $11 million in negative value.

That's not how business works.
Most teams won't get their trade values from an internet simulator to determine the players worth.

That's not how business works.

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Re: Time to KIRB(Y) our lousy offense G.T 9/22/22

Post by D-train » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:05 pm

desbcoach wrote:
Fri Sep 23, 2022 8:54 pm
D-train wrote:
Fri Sep 23, 2022 8:28 pm
Walker is only worth $1.1M so should be able to pull that off straight up for Flexen who is also worth $1M. Throw in a mid level prospect to finish the deal.

I noticed that Ketel Marte is at -$34.7M :shock:

https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/teams/498/

Will have to pay some of Marco's salary and would like get a lottery pick prospect back for him.

Here is your Reynolds trade:

tv54.JPG
Pitts has a couple of young SS , why would they Crawford th
Maybe they hired a new head of DEI? I just put up something that was equal value. Swap JP for Ford.
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Re: Time to KIRB(Y) our lousy offense G.T 9/22/22

Post by bpj » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:20 pm

Flexen at this point has to see the writing on the wall.

As Donn pointed out, there's a decent chance he opts out and tests free agency rather than be an $8M bullpen piece.

That solves one problem for us. Now just dump Marco on some team that needs an innings eater.

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Re: Time to KIRB(Y) our lousy offense G.T 9/22/22

Post by harmony » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:22 pm

bpj wrote:
Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:02 pm
harmony wrote:
Fri Sep 23, 2022 8:52 pm
bpj wrote:
Fri Sep 23, 2022 8:45 pm


The expected returns are $14M in payroll saved by trading them for a bag of balls, and an open rotation spot.

Fill the rotation spot with another great pitcher (using the money saved on Marco and Flexen), then it opens up several trade possibilities for Reynolds.

Hancock+ seems like a good start to the package for 3 years of Reynolds control when we would have a full rotation after we add Rodon.

If it's hard to get bats to sign here, have to maximize pitching and trade from that depth to get the bats.
A trade partner for Marco Gonzales and Chris Flexen will not give up a bag of ball to assume $11 million in negative value.

That's not how business works.
Most teams won't get their trade values from an internet simulator to determine the players worth.

That's not how business works.
Indeed.

Many teams might give Marco Gonzales and Chris Flexen a combined negative value of $20 million.

Or not.

If Gonzales and Flexen aren't worth their contracts to the Mariners, why would the pitchers be worth their contracts to other teams?

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Re: Time to KIRB(Y) our lousy offense G.T 9/22/22

Post by desbcoach » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:36 pm

harmony wrote:
Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:22 pm
bpj wrote:
Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:02 pm
harmony wrote:
Fri Sep 23, 2022 8:52 pm

A trade partner for Marco Gonzales and Chris Flexen will not give up a bag of ball to assume $11 million in negative value.

That's not how business works.
Most teams won't get their trade values from an internet simulator to determine the players worth.

That's not how business works.
Indeed.

Many teams might give Marco Gonzales and Chris Flexen a combined negative value of $20 million.

Or not.

If Gonzales and Flexen aren't worth their contracts to the Mariners, why would the pitchers be worth their contracts to other teams?
Both those pitcher have value to a lot of mediocre teams. Texas Rangers or even the Angels would be happy with a pitcher of either ilk

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Re: Time to KIRB(Y) our lousy offense G.T 9/22/22

Post by harmony » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:37 pm

bpj post wrote:
Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:20 pm
Flexen at this point has to see the writing on the wall.

As Donn pointed out, there's a decent chance he opts out and tests free agency rather than be an $8M bullpen piece.

That solves one problem for us. Now just dump Marco on some team that needs an innings eater.
Several sources indicate that Chris Flexen remains under team control through the 2026 season:

https://www.baseball-reference.com/play ... ch01.shtml

https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/seattle-mar ... xen-21243/

https://clutchpoints.com/mariners-news- ... able-feat/

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Re: Time to KIRB(Y) our lousy offense G.T 9/22/22

Post by harmony » Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:55 pm

D-train wrote:
Fri Sep 23, 2022 8:50 pm
harmony wrote:
Fri Sep 23, 2022 8:40 pm
D-train wrote:
Fri Sep 23, 2022 8:28 pm
Walker is only worth $1.1M so should be able to pull that off straight up for Flexen who is also worth $1M. Throw in a mid level prospect to finish the deal.

I noticed that Ketel Marte is at -$34.7M :shock:

https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/teams/498/

Will have to pay some of Marco's salary and would like get a lottery pick prospect back for him.

Here is your Reynolds trade:

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Will the Pirates trade Bryan Reynolds and take on salary?

Reynolds is scheduled to earn $6.75 million next year while J.P. Crawford earns $11 million and Diego Castillo gets an arbitration raise off his 2022 salary of $2.15 million.

Let's return to reality.
Oh I'm sorry I thought these trade values were reality???? You certainly wouldn't quote and post something that you didn't have full confidence in would you??? Or are we now allowed to sanity check things like trade values and projections when they screw up our narrative? lol
A listed trade value is one variable to be considered in context with other factors, including each team's needs and budget.

It's better ignore the Baseball Trade Values site than to misuse its information.

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Re: Time to KIRB(Y) our lousy offense G.T 9/22/22

Post by bpj » Fri Sep 23, 2022 10:01 pm

harmony wrote:
Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:55 pm
D-train wrote:
Fri Sep 23, 2022 8:50 pm
harmony wrote:
Fri Sep 23, 2022 8:40 pm

Will the Pirates trade Bryan Reynolds and take on salary?

Reynolds is scheduled to earn $6.75 million next year while J.P. Crawford earns $11 million and Diego Castillo gets an arbitration raise off his 2022 salary of $2.15 million.

Let's return to reality.
Oh I'm sorry I thought these trade values were reality???? You certainly wouldn't quote and post something that you didn't have full confidence in would you??? Or are we now allowed to sanity check things like trade values and projections when they screw up our narrative? lol
A listed trade value is one variable to be considered in context with other factors, including each team's needs and budget.

It's better ignore the Baseball Trade Values site than to misuse its information.
Thanks Professor.

It's better to ignore the site altogether. Unless we knew what another team wants and how they value that player its nothing but gibberish. As useless as projections.

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