My FA Suggestion

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Re: My FA Suggestion

Post by ice99 » Sun Sep 25, 2022 2:56 am

AZOldDawg wrote:
Sun Sep 25, 2022 1:57 am
With the shift going bye bye I don’t like France at 2nd with his limited range
My bad...didn't you originally say Frazier?

It's a tradeoff. Opening up 1B gives more options.
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Re: My FA Suggestion

Post by GL_Storm » Sun Sep 25, 2022 3:03 am

AZOldDawg wrote:
Sun Sep 25, 2022 1:57 am
With the shift going bye bye I don’t like France at 2nd with his limited range
I've heard/read a few comments here and there speculating that without the shift, teams will start moving towards more defensively strong second basemen, as opposed to offensive second basemen. I assume they're talking about players like Jorge Polanco, but I would take Polanco in a heartbeat, shift-ban be damned. And it isn't clear to me that Ty France would be any worse there.

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Re: My FA Suggestion

Post by Seattle or Bust » Sun Sep 25, 2022 3:38 am

GL_Storm wrote:
Sun Sep 25, 2022 3:03 am
AZOldDawg wrote:
Sun Sep 25, 2022 1:57 am
With the shift going bye bye I don’t like France at 2nd with his limited range
I've heard/read a few comments here and there speculating that without the shift, teams will start moving towards more defensively strong second basemen, as opposed to offensive second basemen. I assume they're talking about players like Jorge Polanco, but I would take Polanco in a heartbeat, shift-ban be damned. And it isn't clear to me that Ty France would be any worse there.
What's worse... a missed base hit to right field because of a lack of range or 0-2 with bases loaded on a popout to the short stop and an inning ending double play?

It might not be France but it certainly can't be someone like Frazier.

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Re: My FA Suggestion

Post by bpj » Sun Sep 25, 2022 4:09 am

Seattle or Bust wrote:
Sun Sep 25, 2022 3:38 am
GL_Storm wrote:
Sun Sep 25, 2022 3:03 am
AZOldDawg wrote:
Sun Sep 25, 2022 1:57 am
With the shift going bye bye I don’t like France at 2nd with his limited range
I've heard/read a few comments here and there speculating that without the shift, teams will start moving towards more defensively strong second basemen, as opposed to offensive second basemen. I assume they're talking about players like Jorge Polanco, but I would take Polanco in a heartbeat, shift-ban be damned. And it isn't clear to me that Ty France would be any worse there.
What's worse... a missed base hit to right field because of a lack of range or 0-2 with bases loaded on a popout to the short stop and an inning ending double play?

It might not be France but it certainly can't be someone like Frazier.
Exactly.

France has a .776 OPS
Frazier has a .608 OPS

That's a difference of .168

That would be like choosing Winker over Julio if Winker happened to be better at defense than Julio.

Julio at .844, Winker at .679 is a difference of .165.

Makes no sense. Just stuff the lineup with bats and you won't have to worry about defense with this pitching staff.

That's a lot of leeway for France to maintain his worth if he provides less defense. Then the fact that you can add an extra bat at 1B is a cherry on top.

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Re: My FA Suggestion

Post by ice99 » Sun Sep 25, 2022 4:25 am

bpj wrote:
Sun Sep 25, 2022 4:09 am
Exactly.

France has a .776 OPS
Frazier has a .608 OPS

That's a difference of .168

That would be like choosing Winker over Julio if Winker happened to be better at defense than Julio.

Julio at .844, Winker at .679 is a difference of .165.

Makes no sense. Just stuff the lineup with bats and you won't have to worry about defense with this pitching staff.
Yep, I wanted France moved off of first base.

At least you have an OPS explanation.

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Re: My FA Suggestion

Post by Big_Maple » Sun Sep 25, 2022 4:57 am

I have been dreaming of the M’s making a run at Judge for a while now. But there is no way the Yankees are letting him walk. Management would be tarred and feathered if they didn’t back a truck of money up to resign him. That said, the M’s can likely afford one splashy FA signing, but Judge ain’t it. Nor is Ohtani whose skills are fungible. Whoever signs him to 10+ year contract will regret it when his hips give out or he pulls an oblique or throw out his shoulder and he begins his rapid decline.

So what can the M’s do? I think we can actually do more with FAs now than ever before. We are clearly a team on the rise, and we are legit contenders in the AL west. Extending Castillo, together with possessing one of the best pitching rotations in baseball and a fantastic core of young players galvanizes this. I think more players would consider Seattle as destinations than at any time in recent history.

I think we need at least 1 OF. Kelenic has been impressive the last few games, but I’m not confident it’s not a hiccup. I love Mitch, but he’s struggling, he’s on the IL more than he’s in the lineup and he’s on the wrong side of 30. Kyle has shitty knees and hasn’t done much since his 2020 season. Winker is…well, sucking. So, let Mitch walk and see what we can get in trade for some combination of Winker/Kelenic/Lewis. I think Bryan Reynolds or Kyle Schwarber are doable. Schwarber can DH and play 1B too.

Our biggest IF need is 2B. If Dipoto can get over his bromance with JP and force him to 2B our options open up. We can get spendy if we do that, and we could lock in a top tier SS. My guess is Correa opts out, and he’s my first choice. If we want to get really stupid spendy, Trea Turner. Dansby Swanson might be an affordable FA option on a short contract.

If Dipoto could pull off some of his magic, a trade for switch hitting Tommy Edman would be a dream, but there’s no way that’s happening. Nice to dream.

Not sure Bell is the answer. His stint in San Diego has been unspectacular, and we have France doing good stuff at 1B and White on a contract that will have the M’s wondering what to do when he finally gets healthy. If we need a DH, maybe sign JD Martinez to a 1 year deal, or…..and here’s something totally out there…bring Daniel Vogelbach back as a left hitting DH. Dude has some pop but can’t hit lefties. He has a 1.2 WAR and a .430 SLG this year. Platoon him with Ty.

Anyhoo, just some thoughts.

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Re: My FA Suggestion

Post by Seattle or Bust » Sun Sep 25, 2022 5:43 am

Here's a random name:

Joey Meneses

It's a small blip and he's a guy who has had to go to Japan, etc...

But in 47 games with the Nats he's slashing .326/.361/.562/.923 with 10 dingers. Plays 1B and RF... maybe worth a flyer? He only signed 1-year deal w. the Nats.

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Re: My FA Suggestion

Post by D-train » Sun Sep 25, 2022 1:07 pm

Big_Maple wrote:
Sun Sep 25, 2022 4:57 am
I have been dreaming of the M’s making a run at Judge for a while now. But there is no way the Yankees are letting him walk. Management would be tarred and feathered if they didn’t back a truck of money up to resign him. That said, the M’s can likely afford one splashy FA signing, but Judge ain’t it. Nor is Ohtani whose skills are fungible. Whoever signs him to 10+ year contract will regret it when his hips give out or he pulls an oblique or throw out his shoulder and he begins his rapid decline.

So what can the M’s do? I think we can actually do more with FAs now than ever before. We are clearly a team on the rise, and we are legit contenders in the AL west. Extending Castillo, together with possessing one of the best pitching rotations in baseball and a fantastic core of young players galvanizes this. I think more players would consider Seattle as destinations than at any time in recent history.

I think we need at least 1 OF. Kelenic has been impressive the last few games, but I’m not confident it’s not a hiccup. I love Mitch, but he’s struggling, he’s on the IL more than he’s in the lineup and he’s on the wrong side of 30. Kyle has shitty knees and hasn’t done much since his 2020 season. Winker is…well, sucking. So, let Mitch walk and see what we can get in trade for some combination of Winker/Kelenic/Lewis. I think Bryan Reynolds or Kyle Schwarber are doable. Schwarber can DH and play 1B too.

Our biggest IF need is 2B. If Dipoto can get over his bromance with JP and force him to 2B our options open up. We can get spendy if we do that, and we could lock in a top tier SS. My guess is Correa opts out, and he’s my first choice. If we want to get really stupid spendy, Trea Turner. Dansby Swanson might be an affordable FA option on a short contract.

If Dipoto could pull off some of his magic, a trade for switch hitting Tommy Edman would be a dream, but there’s no way that’s happening. Nice to dream.

Not sure Bell is the answer. His stint in San Diego has been unspectacular, and we have France doing good stuff at 1B and White on a contract that will have the M’s wondering what to do when he finally gets healthy. If we need a DH, maybe sign JD Martinez to a 1 year deal, or…..and here’s something totally out there…bring Daniel Vogelbach back as a left hitting DH. Dude has some pop but can’t hit lefties. He has a 1.2 WAR and a .430 SLG this year. Platoon him with Ty.

Anyhoo, just some thoughts.
They let Cano walk after his age 30 season after putting up 44 WAR. Judge is 30 and has put up 36 WAR so far.
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Re: My FA Suggestion

Post by D-train » Sun Sep 25, 2022 1:13 pm

JD Martinez has a 112 OPS+ and 34 yo. Bell is has a 129 OPS+ even after his SD induced slump and is 29 yo.

Jerry isn't bringing Vogey back. And France isn't only going platoon and play about a third of the games.
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Re: My FA Suggestion

Post by bpj » Sun Sep 25, 2022 1:44 pm

Was thinking about the discussion of second base defense and realized that most of our pitchers are striking out 1 batter an inning anyways.

K/9

Castillo: 10.67
Ray: 10.18
Gilbert: 8.61
Kirby: 9.30
Marco: 4.95

So for every 6 inning outing-

Castillo is getting 7.11 outs via strikeout (out of 18 outs)
Ray is getting 6.79 outs via strikeout
Gilbert is getting 5.74 outs via strikeout
Kirby is getting 6.2 outs via strikeout
Marco is getting 3.3 outs via strikeout

That means that every two innings the defense has to make an extra play when Marco is in the game compared to everyone else.

Add another quality strikeout pitcher in Marcos spot and you'd hardly need a defense behind them anyways and you could load up with offense-first players and hardly notice a decline in defense.

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