The stupidity of the Trade Value site

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The stupidity of the Trade Value site

Post by Bil522 » Tue Nov 08, 2022 5:23 pm

The stupidity of the Trade Value site
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Re: The stupidity of the Trade Value site

Post by Vogelbomb » Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:01 pm

Who's assessing the values? some rando in a dingy 1 bedroom apt who works at Home Depot is my guess

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Re: The stupidity of the Trade Value site

Post by Captain 97 » Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:31 pm

Yeah I don't pay any attention to it at all. They are probably factoring in that Toronto Guys cost 30 Million and are already in arbitration While the Seattle Guys are at about 1.5 Million. and have a lot more years of control.

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Re: The stupidity of the Trade Value site

Post by Pharmabro » Tue Nov 08, 2022 7:11 pm

Vogelbomb wrote:
Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:01 pm
Who's assessing the values? some rando in a dingy 1 bedroom apt who works at Home Depot is my guess
O lord, here we go.

The Vlad 26M deal is he is getting pricey now 15M in 23 probably 25 or so in 24 then gone.
Kirk is worth more (40M) because he is only making under a million dollars in 23 and is basically Cal 122 OPS+ bat that can play some catcher and DH
Teoscar is a corner 1 year rental (8M)? In 2320 ABs he has been worth 10.8 WAR 121 OPS+. What was Mitch Haniger worth entering his final year? As of right now Mitch has just under 2200 ABs and 15.4 WAR and a 123 OPS+

They look about right 2 years of Vlad cost the club 4oM in salary and 25M in trade assets. Could we sign a really good 1B for 33M a year? Freddie Freeman was a 140 OPS+ compared to Vlad's 135 and he signed in LA for 6X27M and put up a 152 OPS+ last year.

I mean even Teoscar's 8M. You realize that if you are trading prospects and you are vaguely familiar with top 30 organizational rankings you will be given up a well known guy, right?

In the M's minors only #1 propsect C Ford #1rd. pick gets it done alone valued at 11.1M and maybe #2 SS Young valued at 8.7M Hancock, Gonzalez, Miller, Montez, Macko are other top 30 prospect valued at between 5 and 6.6M and that group has a top 6 1st rd pick.

It is not that I never disagree with online resources but this looks like a pretty valid position.

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Re: The stupidity of the Trade Value site

Post by D-train » Tue Nov 08, 2022 8:41 pm

I have no idea what the issue is. Kirk being overvalued???
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Re: The stupidity of the Trade Value site

Post by harmony » Tue Nov 08, 2022 8:58 pm

Vogelbomb wrote:
Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:01 pm
Who's assessing the values? some rando in a dingy 1 bedroom apt who works at Home Depot is my guess
To answer the question:

https://www.linkedin.com/in/johnbitzer/

Whereas a casual can might assess an MLB player's value solely upon present-day production, Baseball Trade Values takes into account salary obligations and projected future performance:

https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/val ... -leaguers/

... with a slightly different formula for minor league players:

https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/val ... -leaguers/

Providing a mere starting point, the BTV valuation does not consider the respective needs, budgets and contention windows of each team.

But it's a starting point that weighs relevant factors often overlooked by the casual fan.

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Re: The stupidity of the Trade Value site

Post by D-train » Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:02 pm

harmony wrote:
Tue Nov 08, 2022 8:58 pm
Vogelbomb wrote:
Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:01 pm
Who's assessing the values? some rando in a dingy 1 bedroom apt who works at Home Depot is my guess
To answer the question:

https://www.linkedin.com/in/johnbitzer/

Whereas a casual can might assess an MLB player's value solely upon present-day production, Baseball Trade Values takes into account salary obligations and projected future performance:

https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/val ... -leaguers/

... with a slightly different formula for minor league players:

https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/val ... -leaguers/

Providing a mere starting point, the BTV valuation does not consider the respective needs, budgets and contention windows of each team.

But it's a starting point that weighs relevant factors often overlooked by the casual fan.
How would you rate it in terms of how accurate they are relative to reality. 1-10 I would give them at least a 7 maybe an 8. I enjoy using it.
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Re: The stupidity of the Trade Value site

Post by harmony » Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:21 pm

D-train wrote:
Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:02 pm
harmony wrote:
Tue Nov 08, 2022 8:58 pm
Vogelbomb wrote:
Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:01 pm
Who's assessing the values? some rando in a dingy 1 bedroom apt who works at Home Depot is my guess
To answer the question:

https://www.linkedin.com/in/johnbitzer/

Whereas a casual can might assess an MLB player's value solely upon present-day production, Baseball Trade Values takes into account salary obligations and projected future performance:

https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/val ... -leaguers/

... with a slightly different formula for minor league players:

https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/val ... -leaguers/

Providing a mere starting point, the BTV valuation does not consider the respective needs, budgets and contention windows of each team.

But it's a starting point that weighs relevant factors often overlooked by the casual fan.
How would you rate it in terms of how accurate they are relative to reality. 1-10 I would give them at least a 7 maybe an 8. I enjoy using it.
The Baseball Trade Values website keeps score:

https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/history/

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Re: The stupidity of the Trade Value site

Post by Vogelbomb » Wed Nov 09, 2022 10:44 pm

I understand taking into account contract length and dollar amount. I don't think there's enough weight being put on performance (past or present) or on how little some teams may worry about AAV on a players' current deal. $10m can mean two different things to two different clubs.

So sure, this tool is one to use broadly across the landscape, may not apply to each club universally. I think that's fair. But it's also fair that I think the tool can take a walk. I don't pay it one sec of time

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Re: The stupidity of the Trade Value site

Post by ice99 » Wed Nov 16, 2022 12:46 am

Bil522 wrote:
Tue Nov 08, 2022 5:23 pm
The stupidity of the Trade Value site

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Which values did you have an issue with?

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