Rookie of the Year

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Re: Rookie of the Year

Post by Captain 97 » Tue Nov 15, 2022 9:39 pm

The thing is WAR already has a positional adjustment. You can't claim they had similar seasons because his WAR was almost as good as Julio's and then use the fact that he plays Catcher as as intangible to push him over the top. That is double dipping.

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Re: Rookie of the Year

Post by Juliooooo » Tue Nov 15, 2022 9:42 pm

D-train wrote:
Tue Nov 15, 2022 9:37 pm
Juliooooo wrote:
Tue Nov 15, 2022 4:35 am
GL_Storm wrote:
Tue Nov 15, 2022 4:33 am


You're literally complaining that 1 person had a different opinion.
I'm speaking in general terms. I just don't like looking at WAR for an award like this.
If he used WAR, he would have gone with Julio:
He used war to show they were close, then used the "Adley plays catcher so let's ignore the rest of the stats" argument. "He turned them around". IOW "Let's not punish him because he didn't start with the team, but let's punish Julio because he did"

I get the other side of the argument, I just don't agree with it
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Re: Rookie of the Year

Post by Captain 97 » Tue Nov 15, 2022 9:56 pm

Here is the interview. starts at about the 4:30 mark.


https://www.iheart.com/podcast/59-puck- ... 104661177/

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Re: Rookie of the Year

Post by D-train » Tue Nov 15, 2022 10:02 pm

Captain 97 wrote:
Tue Nov 15, 2022 9:39 pm
The thing is WAR already has a positional adjustment. You can't claim they had similar seasons because his WAR was almost as good as Julio's and then use the fact that he plays Catcher as as intangible to push him over the top. That is double dipping.
Yeah he said WAR didn't adequately incorporate the value of being a catcher. Ok bud.
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Re: Rookie of the Year

Post by Juliooooo » Tue Nov 15, 2022 10:33 pm

D-train wrote:
Tue Nov 15, 2022 10:02 pm
Captain 97 wrote:
Tue Nov 15, 2022 9:39 pm
The thing is WAR already has a positional adjustment. You can't claim they had similar seasons because his WAR was almost as good as Julio's and then use the fact that he plays Catcher as as intangible to push him over the top. That is double dipping.
Yeah he said WAR didn't adequately incorporate the value of being a catcher. Ok bud.
Does WAR adequately incorporate not only the SB, but the speed on the bases that Julio brings? I don't really know, but I doubt it.
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Re: Rookie of the Year

Post by Captain 97 » Tue Nov 15, 2022 10:44 pm

Juliooooo wrote:
Tue Nov 15, 2022 10:33 pm
D-train wrote:
Tue Nov 15, 2022 10:02 pm
Captain 97 wrote:
Tue Nov 15, 2022 9:39 pm
The thing is WAR already has a positional adjustment. You can't claim they had similar seasons because his WAR was almost as good as Julio's and then use the fact that he plays Catcher as as intangible to push him over the top. That is double dipping.
Yeah he said WAR didn't adequately incorporate the value of being a catcher. Ok bud.
Does WAR adequately incorporate not only the SB, but the speed on the bases that Julio brings? I don't really know, but I doubt it.
yes
https://www.baseball-reference.com/abou ... tion.shtml

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Re: Rookie of the Year

Post by D-train » Tue Nov 15, 2022 10:55 pm

Juliooooo wrote:
Tue Nov 15, 2022 10:33 pm
D-train wrote:
Tue Nov 15, 2022 10:02 pm
Captain 97 wrote:
Tue Nov 15, 2022 9:39 pm
The thing is WAR already has a positional adjustment. You can't claim they had similar seasons because his WAR was almost as good as Julio's and then use the fact that he plays Catcher as as intangible to push him over the top. That is double dipping.
Yeah he said WAR didn't adequately incorporate the value of being a catcher. Ok bud.
Does WAR adequately incorporate not only the SB, but the speed on the bases that Julio brings? I don't really know, but I doubt it.
Yes, for FG it is BsR. Interesting Julio is much higher than Nimmo. Adley is actually higher. 5.0

https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx? ... &sort=19,d
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Re: Rookie of the Year

Post by ice99 » Wed Nov 16, 2022 1:09 am

D-train wrote:
Tue Nov 15, 2022 10:55 pm
Juliooooo wrote:
Tue Nov 15, 2022 10:33 pm
D-train wrote:
Tue Nov 15, 2022 10:02 pm


Yeah he said WAR didn't adequately incorporate the value of being a catcher. Ok bud.
Does WAR adequately incorporate not only the SB, but the speed on the bases that Julio brings? I don't really know, but I doubt it.
Yes, for FG it is BsR. Interesting Julio is much higher than Nimmo. Adley is actually higher. 5.0

https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx? ... &sort=19,d
Mainly due to SB, my guess.

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