Trade number 2

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Re: Trade number 2

Post by harmony » Fri Nov 18, 2022 8:03 pm

The Lookout Landing article on the trade (with 256 comments):

https://www.lookoutlanding.com/2022/11/ ... l#comments

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Re: Trade number 2

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Re: Trade number 2

Post by XpertDBA » Fri Nov 18, 2022 8:21 pm

I wonder if Dusty Baker will comment on this trade. It really looks bad that we traded away an American born black player for a white player.

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Re: Trade number 2

Post by D-train » Fri Nov 18, 2022 8:25 pm

XpertDBA wrote:
Fri Nov 18, 2022 8:21 pm
I wonder if Dusty Baker will comment on this trade. It really looks bad that we traded away an American born black player for a white player.
I am surprised Sims hasn't submitted his resignation in protest.
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Re: Trade number 2

Post by ice99 » Sat Nov 19, 2022 2:19 am

ice99 wrote:
Fri Nov 18, 2022 2:29 am
Hmm...maybe Torrens gets nontendered.
Torrens, O'Keefe, and Weaver nontendered.

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Re: Trade number 2

Post by Donn Beach » Sat Nov 19, 2022 2:45 am

Captain 97 wrote:
Fri Nov 18, 2022 5:06 pm
Donn Beach wrote:
Fri Nov 18, 2022 11:31 am
Michael K. wrote:
Fri Nov 18, 2022 4:23 am


My thoughts exactly. The dude has literally had one good month in the majors and acts like he is a prodigy. Put up or shut up, and when he bitxhed about not being on the playoff roster? I was done with him. Seems the organization was too!
He has put up 2.5 WAR over his time in the MLs so far, think that would be more than a single month
Nope. 2.5 WAR over 4 seasons is terrible.
The average MLB player is worth about 2.0 WAR per season. 1.6 of Lewis WAR came in 2020. They don't break down WAR in the splits but in 2020 he had an OPS of 1.014 in the first 30 games and an OPS of .552 in his final 28 games. If the WAR was split out I would estimate that he would have been at about a 2.0 WAR for the first Month and a -.4 for the second month. That means that he had one month with a 2.0 WAR and a 0.5 WAR over the rest of 400 Career plate appearances. He did hit well in his initial September call up though so I will give you a month and a half of Good baseball for his career.
Lewis has put up 2.5 WAR in the first 460 at bats to his ML career. That to me is a pretty decent start. We would die to have had a start like that from JK who has just about the same amount of ML at bats as lewis

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Re: Trade number 2

Post by Juliooooo » Sat Nov 19, 2022 3:23 am

ice99 wrote:
Sat Nov 19, 2022 2:19 am
ice99 wrote:
Fri Nov 18, 2022 2:29 am
Hmm...maybe Torrens gets nontendered.
Torrens, O'Keefe, and Weaver nontendered.
So why did they even get weaver? This gives Mariners 3 open roster spots ahead of the rule 5 draft and for Free agency, right?
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Re: Trade number 2

Post by Donn Beach » Sat Nov 19, 2022 3:32 am

"We felt like he was a good fit for us," D-backs GM Mike Hazen said. "We're taking a shot at some upside here with the power potential, he’s gotten on base when healthy, and we feel like this is a good opportunity for us acquire some potential impact.
That makes sense to me, think it's a good gamble for them since they need right handed bats

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Re: Trade number 2

Post by D-train » Sat Nov 19, 2022 12:12 pm

By Ryan Divish
Seattle Times staff reporter
Just a little over two years ago, Nov. 7, 2020, to be exact, Kyle Lewis was named the Jackie Robinson American League Rookie of Year. And the Mariners celebrated a bright future for both him and the team.

While the team eventually reached the hoped-for level of success in 2022, reaching the postseason for the first time in 21 years and are seemingly poised for success in seasons to come, Lewis was not really a part of it as injuries of the past leaked into the present, sidelining him for extended stretches and sidetracking his career.

On Friday, Mariners president of baseball operations Jerry Dipoto, the man who green lighted the decision to draft Lewis with 11th pick in the 2016 draft, discussed the circumstances that led to trading him to the Arizona Diamondbacks less than 24 hours earlier in exchange for catcher/outfielder Cooper Hummel.

“In some ways, it was a tough day for us the day we moved Kyle because he’s always been a Mariner,” Dipoto said via video conference. “He was our very first first-round draft pick when this group got together. He is a wonderful human being who has had some really difficult circumstances to deal with, and adversities over the course of his time with the Mariners. We thought that this was the right thing to do for both parties.”

Why?

There was an uncertainty on what his role would be with a team that is trying to improve on last season’s finish. Lewis’ struggles with his thrice operated upon right knee limited him to mostly a designated-hitter role. That didn’t fit with the Mariners’ roster setup. As Lewis was out of minor league options and was first-year arbitration eligible, there were few alternatives and a greater financial commitment.

“I think Kyle needed a fresh start, something new,” Dipoto said. “So much of his time here, especially in recent years, has been start and stop and rehab. We felt like it’s a fresh start, new voice and an opportunity to go play. With where we are in our development and where we believe we are on the win curve, we needed some certainty headed into the year, and we didn’t feel like that we could get that betting on Kyle in this situation.”

Acquiring Hummel, a 27-year-old that made his MLB debut earlier this season and never appeared on prospects lists, may not seem like enough to fans, but given Lewis’ last two seasons and injury history, he was never going to bring a large return.

Hummel certainly doesn’t grab the eyes of scouts with his size (5 foot 10, 198 pounds) or his tools. But the Mariners’ analysts loved him, particularly his ability to control the strike zone at the plate. He had a career .397 on-base percentage in six seasons in the minor leagues.

“Cooper does a lot of things we like and our analytics group has been a fan of Cooper’s for quite some time,” Dipoto said. “He does a lot of really interesting things in the batter’s box. We very much value the ability to manage the strike zone, and he does that about as well as you can do it, in the minor leagues for sure. From a discipline standpoint, taking your walks, swinging at the right pitches, translated in the big leagues. It’s just a matter of giving him enough runway to make that bring out the rest of his skill set, because he’s been a very good offensive player for a number of years.”

Hummel made the transition to catching with the Diamondbacks. He caught 18 games at the MLB level last season and caught in 92 games in the minor leagues. He will provide depth at Class AAA Tacoma.

The Mariners narrowed their catching depth chart Friday with the deadline to tender club-controlled players, opting to not tender contracts to catchers Luis Torrens and Brian O’Keefe along with right-handed pitcher Luke Weaver.

After an outstanding second half in 2021, Torrens struggled for much of the 2022 season, forcing the Mariners to acquire veteran Curt Casali at the trade deadline as a temporary stopgap.

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Torrens was designated for assignment, cleared waivers and was outrighted to Tacoma. He eventually returned to the Mariners for the final weeks of the regular season and the postseason, contributing some key hits and even pitching in multiple games.

“The bulk of the season didn’t go very well for LT,” Dipoto said. “From the very start, he just had a difficult time this year getting into any type of groove and never really got a ton of traction while he was in Tacoma. The last couple of weeks of the regular season when we needed him most, he did show up and he got some huge hits for us. We love the human that he is. He fits on our club. I know he’s a very popular teammate, popular among our coaching staff. But we do believe Tom Murphy will be back and obviously picking up Cooper did allow us some depth in that position.”

With Torrens arbitration eligible and out of options, the Mariners opted to keep Murphy, a veteran leader and better defensive catcher, as Cal Raleigh’s backup despite missing most of the season because of shoulder surgery.

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The Mariners would love to bring Torrens back on a minor league or split contract with an invite to spring training. He will certainly shop the catcher-starved market.

“We feel like the right thing to do is let LT head out,” Dipoto said. “We’ll stay and touch. I’ve already told him that if he’s interested in coming back to the Mariners on a NRI (nonroster invite) and come into camp and battle to make a team, we would have a ton of interest in doing that.”

O’Keefe was a late-season call-up and played in two games, getting one hit. Weaver was a waiver claim from the Royals in late October. It leaves the Mariners with 37 players on the 40-man roster.

The Mariners tendered contract offers to 27 players under club control on the 40-man roster:

PITCHERS (14):

Brennan Bernardino, LHP
Prelander Berroa, RHP
Matt Brash, RHP
Isaiah Campbell, RHP
Diego Castillo, RHP
Matt Festa, RHP
Logan Gilbert, RHP
George Kirby, RHP
Easton McGee, RHP
Penn Murfee, RHP
Paul Sewald, RHP
Justus Sheffield, LHP
Gabe Speier, LHP
Juan Then, RHP
INFIELDERS (4):

Ty France, INF
Sam Haggerty, INF/OF
Dylan Moore, INF/OF
Abraham Toro, INF
OUTFIELDERS (6):

Jonatan Clase, OF
Teoscar Hernández, OF
Jarred Kelenic, OF
Cade Marlowe, OF
Alberto Rodríguez, OF
Taylor Trammell, OF
CATCHERS (3):

Cooper Hummel, C/OF
Tom Murphy, C
Cal Raleigh, C
The Mariners have 10 players under MLB contracts:

Luis Castillo, RHP, signed through 2027 with vesting option for 2028.
J.P. Crawford, INF, signed through 2026.
Chris Flexen, RHP, signed through 2023.
Marco Gonzales, LHP, signed through 2024 with club option for 2025.
Andrés Muñoz, RHP, signed through 2025 with options through 2028.
Robbie Ray, LHP, signed through 2026.
Julio Rodríguez, OF, signed through 2029 with options through 2039.
Eugenio Suárez, INF, signed through 2024 with club option for 2025.
Evan White, INF, signed through 2025 with options through 2028.
Jesse Winker, signed through 2023.
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Re: Trade number 2

Post by D-train » Sat Nov 19, 2022 12:18 pm

Donn Beach wrote:
Sat Nov 19, 2022 3:32 am
"We felt like he was a good fit for us," D-backs GM Mike Hazen said. "We're taking a shot at some upside here with the power potential, he’s gotten on base when healthy, and we feel like this is a good opportunity for us acquire some potential impact.
That makes sense to me, think it's a good gamble for them since they need right handed bats
If you believe in old time Religious healing sessions where Preachers miraculously heal people that can't walk then yeah.
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