Jose Abreu off the board

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Re: Jose Abreu off the board

Post by D-train » Mon Nov 28, 2022 10:07 pm

bpj wrote:
Mon Nov 28, 2022 9:26 pm
Jose Abreu's Jekyll and Hyde results over the last two years are a prime example of how OBP does not translate to runners crossing the plate compared to what SLG (homeruns specifically) gives you.

2021:
OBP: .351
SLG: .481
R: 86
HR: 30
RBI: 117

2022:
OBP: .378
SLG: .446
R: 85
HR: 15
RBI: 75

I get that RBI are a fickle statistic, but it plays out time and again when comparing OBP players to SLG players. To put runs across the plate, you need guys driving them in.

Abreu again being a prime example. He got on base at a much better rate than he did in 2022, but nobody was there to drive him in so despite a higher OBP, he scored one less time, because OBP doesn't mean Jack S without SLG to "sweep up" after it.

He accounted for 203 runs in 2021 (Runs+RBI), but only 160 in 2022.

SLG makes a big difference.
Even when you deduct HRs from RBIs to avoid double counting it is 86+117-30 = 173 vs. 85+75-15 = 145. Still significantly better in 2021.
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Re: Jose Abreu off the board

Post by AZOldDawg » Mon Nov 28, 2022 10:59 pm

Houston has a pretty good track record. I give them props for not ducking around and filling a need while we continue to posture.

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Re: Jose Abreu off the board

Post by D-train » Mon Nov 28, 2022 11:11 pm

AZOldDawg wrote:
Mon Nov 28, 2022 10:59 pm
Houston has a pretty good track record. I give them props for not ducking around and filling a need while we continue to posture.
Jerry said there is no hurry.
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Re: Jose Abreu off the board

Post by Seattle or Bust » Mon Nov 28, 2022 11:18 pm

D-train wrote:
Mon Nov 28, 2022 11:11 pm
AZOldDawg wrote:
Mon Nov 28, 2022 10:59 pm
Houston has a pretty good track record. I give them props for not ducking around and filling a need while we continue to posture.
Jerry said there is no hurry.
Until we're left with Abraham Toro at 2B and need to trade for Carlos Santana at the break.

Which seemingly happens every year.

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Re: Jose Abreu off the board

Post by D-train » Mon Nov 28, 2022 11:23 pm

Seattle or Bust wrote:
Mon Nov 28, 2022 11:18 pm
D-train wrote:
Mon Nov 28, 2022 11:11 pm
AZOldDawg wrote:
Mon Nov 28, 2022 10:59 pm
Houston has a pretty good track record. I give them props for not ducking around and filling a need while we continue to posture.
Jerry said there is no hurry.
Until we're left with Abraham Toro at 2B and need to trade for Carlos Santana at the break.

Which seemingly happens every year.
Even when you error on the side of caution, you are making an ERROR and he always seems to do that.
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Re: Jose Abreu off the board

Post by Big_Maple » Mon Nov 28, 2022 11:30 pm

D-train wrote:
Mon Nov 28, 2022 11:23 pm
Even when you error on the side of caution, you are making an ERROR and he always seems to do that.
I agree with the statement and sentiment, but I think the aphorism is to err on the side of caution. Unless your double use of error is clever wordplay...

Either way, Jerry is uncharacteristically sitting on his hands right now. I guess he's waiting for big chips to fall before making whatever offers he feels obliged to make to free agents. Or not. Who knows with Jerry.

If we're stuck with Toro at 2B because Jerry was playing a devious cat and mouse game, I think our season would be over before it began.

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Re: Jose Abreu off the board

Post by D-train » Mon Nov 28, 2022 11:44 pm

Big_Maple wrote:
Mon Nov 28, 2022 11:30 pm
D-train wrote:
Mon Nov 28, 2022 11:23 pm
Even when you error on the side of caution, you are making an ERROR and he always seems to do that.
I agree with the statement and sentiment, but I think the aphorism is to err on the side of caution. Unless your double use of error is clever wordplay...

Either way, Jerry is uncharacteristically sitting on his hands right now. I guess he's waiting for big chips to fall before making whatever offers he feels obliged to make to free agents. Or not. Who knows with Jerry.

If we're stuck with Toro at 2B because Jerry was playing a devious cat and mouse game, I think our season would be over before it began.
Ah you are correct. Reminds we when I said milktoast instead of milquetoast one time. Never made that mistake again. lol
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Re: Jose Abreu off the board

Post by Coeurd’Alene J » Tue Nov 29, 2022 12:13 am

Maybe Jerry never makes a value offer. He’s like the slick kid that never brings a date to the prom…and always ready to steal the girl towards the end of the dance

I don’t believe him when he says we will add or spend big he hasn’t so far

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Re: Jose Abreu off the board

Post by Big_Maple » Tue Nov 29, 2022 12:36 am

D-train wrote:
Mon Nov 28, 2022 11:44 pm
Big_Maple wrote:
Mon Nov 28, 2022 11:30 pm
D-train wrote:
Mon Nov 28, 2022 11:23 pm
Even when you error on the side of caution, you are making an ERROR and he always seems to do that.
I agree with the statement and sentiment, but I think the aphorism is to err on the side of caution. Unless your double use of error is clever wordplay...

Either way, Jerry is uncharacteristically sitting on his hands right now. I guess he's waiting for big chips to fall before making whatever offers he feels obliged to make to free agents. Or not. Who knows with Jerry.

If we're stuck with Toro at 2B because Jerry was playing a devious cat and mouse game, I think our season would be over before it began.
Ah you are correct. Reminds we when I said milktoast instead of milquetoast one time. Never made that mistake again. lol
To err is human. To forgive, divine.

No worries. I’m certainly not the word police. I’d fail a middle school English test.
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Re: Jose Abreu off the board

Post by Donn Beach » Tue Nov 29, 2022 1:26 am

Three years at $60 mil, have to say that's right where I had him, but begun to have my doubts

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