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Brock on M's complete reversal

Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2022 4:09 pm
by D-train
From Jerry will have all the resource available to ZERO significant FA signings. The Ghost of Mather lives!!!

One of the key topics of Mather's final address to the rotary club was his satisfaction and massive pride saying they survived Covid season "Better than Most" Zero doubt he wasn't the only one with that mentality and zero doubt they are still hyper focused on the bottom line.
SAN DIEGO — The first two days of the MLB Winter Meetings have come and gone with nary a peep in terms of transactions from the Mariners, which — depending on your perspective as a fan — may feel reasonable, uninspiring or downright maddening.

While players like Trea Turner, Cody Bellinger, Andrew Heaney, Mitch Haniger and Justin Verlander have all found new teams during the first two days of the meetings, Seattle’s president of baseball operations Jerry Dipoto has remained silent.

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That’s mostly by design.

Seattle’s front office officials, including general manager Justin Hollander, have met with agents and other teams about potential trades, even though their list of needs at this point in the winter is what Dipoto termed as “finite.”

The Mariners won’t likely be landing any of the top free agents on the market. Their pursuit of any roster additions will certainly come by trade, though that might not happen anytime soon.

“We have to believe — and we talk about this all the time — that if we’re doing a deal, we’re not going to do a deal because we were emotionally driven to a deal,” Dipoto said. “We’re not going to do a deal because somebody else did and we feel like we have to.

“We are also not going to do it (just because) we can. We’re going to do it because we think it’s the right thing to do.”

Before the Mariners even arrived in San Diego for these meetings, they had already done a majority of the heavy lifting in terms of — in their eyes — augmenting the roster.

They traded for Blue Jays outfielder Teoscar Hernández, a proven run-producer, to fill an outfield vacancy. Last week, they swung a deal with the Brewers, landing two-time Gold Glove-winning second baseman Kolten Wong, who had a 116 wRC+ last season.

If you grew tired of watching an offense that last season finished 28th in the big leagues in average (.230) and scored one or fewer runs in a game 29 times (including 12 shutouts), imagine how the Mariners felt. Enter Hernández and Wong.

“I think we’ve gotten better,” Dipoto said. “It might not be the splash that people want to see, but that’s our splash. Let’s just keep getting better.”


Kolten Wong was one of two significant acquisitions the Mariners made before the Winter Meetings. (Katie Stratman / USA Today)
This team is better than the one that won 90 games, took the AL Wild Card Series from the Blue Jays and then lost three games to the eventual champion Astros in the AL Division Series by a combined four runs.

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How much better? That remains to be seen. This isn’t a finished roster, but it’s really close and, honestly, that was mostly the case even after that 18-inning loss to the Astros in Game 3 of the ALDS. Adding Hernández and Wong should help, as will whoever is next through the door.

“We’d like to find one more bat … maybe two,” Dipoto said. “We’re open to doing it, but we’re also perfectly happy to go with what we have.” Dipoto said Monday night that he’d still like to add a right-handed outfielder and maybe someone who could spell Ty France on occasion at first base and rotate through the designated hitter spot in the lineup.

By the end of the day Tuesday that goal hadn’t changed, nor had the club advanced to the point where any player acquisition was imminent. There’s a chance the Mariners leave San Diego after Wednesday with the same team they arrived with.

There’s also a good chance, Dipoto said, the team could select a pitcher — likely a reliever — in Wednesday’s Rule 5 draft. The club has had a history of doing so recently with the selection of pitchers Brandon Brennan, Will Vest and Yohan Ramirez, all of whom made the club following the spring they were selected.

In terms of dipping his toes into the free-agent waters, Dipoto said that can be a slippery slope. There’s a time and a place, he said, to do it. But the club’s goal is to be very strategic about it.

“We’re built on draft, develop and trades,” Dipoto said. “We use free agency in a way to augment our roster … not build it. I think that’s the way championship teams are typically built.”

The Mariners have 11 homegrown players on their current 40-man roster, including a handful who helped the club end its vexing two-decade playoff drought — pitchers Logan Gilbert and George Kirby, catcher Cal Raleigh and outfielder Julio Rodríguez.

Re: Brock on M's complete reversal

Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2022 4:18 pm
by D-train
Would LOVE to know when and where the time and the place to do it is if not this off season???!?!?!??!!?
In terms of dipping his toes into the free-agent waters, Dipoto said that can be a slippery slope. There’s a time and a place, he said, to do it. But the club’s goal is to be very strategic about it.

Re: Brock on M's complete reversal

Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2022 4:29 pm
by Sibelius Hindemith
We are to the Astros what the Padres are to the Dodgers. Actually, we're cheaper than the Padres. Can't wait to see who this year's Winker is going to be.

Re: Brock on M's complete reversal

Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2022 4:45 pm
by harmony
Sibelius Hindemith wrote:
Wed Dec 07, 2022 4:29 pm
We are to the Astros what the Padres are to the Dodgers. Actually, we're cheaper than the Padres. Can't wait to see who this year's Winker is going to be.
Or this year's Eugenio Suarez.

Re: Brock on M's complete reversal

Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2022 4:45 pm
by D-train
Oh thanks Jerry for not signing a FA because you are emotional about him and thanks for not trying to compete with the Astros in free agency. So wise of you

“We have to believe — and we talk about this all the time — that if we’re doing a deal, we’re not going to do a deal because we were emotionally driven to a deal,” Dipoto said. “We’re not going to do a deal because somebody else did and we feel like we have to.
Oh so you can do it but you would just prefer to give JK PAs instead of an established hitter. Thanks again for the clarification!
“We are also not going to do it (just because) we can. We’re going to do it because we think it’s the right thing to do.”

Perfectly happy to just go from Mitch to Teo and Frazier to Wong. That should cure the offense that didn't score the last 24 innings of the season.
“We’d like to find one more bat … maybe two,” Dipoto said. “We’re open to doing it, but we’re also perfectly happy to go with what we have.”
That evil free agency. So Gott is the the augmentation so far. Awesome.
“We’re built on draft, develop and trades,” Dipoto said. “We use free agency in a way to augment our roster … not build it. I think that’s the way championship teams are typically built.”

Re: Brock on M's complete reversal

Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2022 7:18 pm
by Coeurd’Alene J
I would suggest that they had thought about increased payroll and then this latest threat of a significant recession looming over like a giant shadow has the business men running scared and they decided to hold the line. Not making excuses for these billionaires just looking at the reality that every business man is seeing in our near future.

Re: Brock on M's complete reversal

Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2022 8:03 pm
by Optimistic Ms Fan
I actually agree a bit there. The recession is supposed to really hit in 23 and start coming out in 24. I think they are saving their cash this year, seeing how the economy deals with it, and also try and go hard after Ohtani next offseason. I really can see them going after him hard.

Re: Brock on M's complete reversal

Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2022 8:47 pm
by ddraig
D-train wrote:
Wed Dec 07, 2022 4:18 pm
Would LOVE to know when and where the time and the place to do it is if not this off season???!?!?!??!!?
In terms of dipping his toes into the free-agent waters, Dipoto said that can be a slippery slope. There’s a time and a place, he said, to do it. But the club’s goal is to be very strategic about it.
The organization's focus is simply making the post season. It has nothing to do with advancing through the playoffs with the ultimate goal of the World Series. It is enough for them to say, "Gee, we are trying." No one ever told them they need more than faith, trust, and pixie dust!

Re: Brock on M's complete reversal

Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2022 8:55 pm
by Coeurd’Alene J
We make over $100 M on Root sports alone.

Re: Brock on M's complete reversal

Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2022 9:12 pm
by GL_Storm
Coeurd’Alene J wrote:
Wed Dec 07, 2022 8:55 pm
We make over $100 M on Root sports alone.
They not we.