Where do we stand on JP Crawford?

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Re: Where do we stand on JP Crawford?

Post by Seattle or Bust » Fri Mar 24, 2023 1:40 am

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Thought that was interesting from the article, his having a good eye but he just can't hit a baseball. Remember that from before, the hopeful element of a breakout. He'd learn to square up a pitch. So he has become more effective by not swinging

Terms of being a leader, don't believe that needs to be about slash lines. Could be more him not bringing an ego.
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Re: Where do we stand on JP Crawford?

Post by D-train » Fri Mar 24, 2023 1:45 am

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Thu Mar 23, 2023 11:33 pm
FanGraphs columnist Ben Clemens offers his take on J.P. Crawford:
Welcome to the world of high expectations, Mariners fans. Crawford has been steady in Seattle, particularly if you take last year’s poor defensive numbers with a grain of salt. He’s part of the veteran core of this Mariners team, but there was still popular consensus around signing a top-tier shortstop and moving on from Crawford only a year into his recent contract extension.

I don’t really get it, because Crawford is the kind of solid building block that teams love to accumulate around their stars. His offensive game is low-wattage but high-competence. Not everyone has light-tower power, and Crawford understands his own limitations there, opting instead to work walks and spray flares to all fields. It’s a capped offensive profile, but he makes the most of it. Singles and walks might not get you on video game covers, but they get you on base for the boppers to send you home happy.
https://blogs.fangraphs.com/2023-positi ... shortstop/
So we should take an entire season of below average D IN HIS PRIME with a grain of salt? Ok then how about we take his 1st 26 games (16% of the season) of offense with a grain of salt too?

The leaves him with finishing the last 84% of the season with a lovely .218/.314/.283/.598

That is HIGH COMPETENCE?? GTFO with that nonsense, Ben. Sexy, you should consider changing your name so not to be confused with this joker. lol
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Re: Where do we stand on JP Crawford?

Post by Seattle or Bust » Fri Mar 24, 2023 1:48 am

D-train wrote:
Fri Mar 24, 2023 1:45 am
harmony wrote:
Thu Mar 23, 2023 11:33 pm
FanGraphs columnist Ben Clemens offers his take on J.P. Crawford:
Welcome to the world of high expectations, Mariners fans. Crawford has been steady in Seattle, particularly if you take last year’s poor defensive numbers with a grain of salt. He’s part of the veteran core of this Mariners team, but there was still popular consensus around signing a top-tier shortstop and moving on from Crawford only a year into his recent contract extension.

I don’t really get it, because Crawford is the kind of solid building block that teams love to accumulate around their stars. His offensive game is low-wattage but high-competence. Not everyone has light-tower power, and Crawford understands his own limitations there, opting instead to work walks and spray flares to all fields. It’s a capped offensive profile, but he makes the most of it. Singles and walks might not get you on video game covers, but they get you on base for the boppers to send you home happy.
https://blogs.fangraphs.com/2023-positi ... shortstop/
So we should take an entire season of below average D IN HIS PRIME with a grain of salt? Ok then how about we take his 1st 26 games (16% of the season) of offense with a grain of salt too?

The leaves him with finishing the last 84% of the season with a lovely .218/.314/.283/.598

That is HIGH COMPETENCE?? GTFO with that nonsense, Ben. Sexy, you should consider changing your name so not to be confused with this joker. lol
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But JP had leg injuries DT. Didn't you know? :roll:

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Re: Where do we stand on JP Crawford?

Post by D-train » Fri Mar 24, 2023 1:49 am

Donn Beach wrote:
Fri Mar 24, 2023 1:36 am
Thought that was interesting from the article, his having a good eye but he just can't hit a baseball. Remember that from before, the hopeful element of a breakout. He'd learn to square up a pitch. So he has become more effective by not swinging

Terms of being a leader, don't believe that needs to be about slash lines. Could be more him not bringing an ego.
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Re: Where do we stand on JP Crawford?

Post by D-train » Fri Mar 24, 2023 1:51 am

Seattle or Bust wrote:
Fri Mar 24, 2023 1:48 am
D-train wrote:
Fri Mar 24, 2023 1:45 am
harmony wrote:
Thu Mar 23, 2023 11:33 pm
FanGraphs columnist Ben Clemens offers his take on J.P. Crawford:

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/2023-positi ... shortstop/
So we should take an entire season of below average D IN HIS PRIME with a grain of salt? Ok then how about we take his 1st 26 games (16% of the season) of offense with a grain of salt too?

The leaves him with finishing the last 84% of the season with a lovely .218/.314/.283/.598

That is HIGH COMPETENCE?? GTFO with that nonsense, Ben. Sexy, you should consider changing your name so not to be confused with this joker. lol
Incoming... "Fangraphs projects... ... ..."

But JP had leg injuries DT. Didn't you know? :roll:
:lol: Now the Soggy arm will be the 2023 excuse...
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Re: Where do we stand on JP Crawford?

Post by D-train » Fri Mar 24, 2023 1:54 am

If ego was part of the WAR calculation he would be a damn fine SS.
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Re: Where do we stand on JP Crawford?

Post by D-train » Fri Mar 24, 2023 2:36 am

15-2 now after a Sam Triple and Julio bomb. Those two have 5 hits, a double, a triple and two bombs. Have scored 6 runs and 5 RBIs.
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Re: Where do we stand on JP Crawford?

Post by Pharmabro » Fri Mar 24, 2023 3:27 am

It was a good article in pointing out that he does have an "advanced approach" that they have always had him from scouting reports.

The defense he had a gold glove 2020 but sucked it up last year.

The bat has some things to like. high walk rate low k rate, even a better than average line drive percentage, the spray chart looks good
The bad: hard hit rate is really low 30% vs league average near 39% and the HR rate is 1.3% vs mlb average of 3.2%

I don't know if his breakout year is this year but he does have a high floor.

I do believe he eventually breaks out. Many players find a way to go on a BABIP tear, or a few less K#3 calls and a bit of wind assist on flyballs, etc Adam Frazier had a 114 in 2021 in 2020 it was a 79 OPS+ and an 80 OPS+ in 2022.

I think he should put on 5 or 10 pounds and drive the ball. We have seen other players that have no idea where pitches are going in JP we see someone who does but does not put much of a hurt on it when he does.

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Re: Where do we stand on JP Crawford?

Post by Pharmabro » Fri Mar 24, 2023 4:37 am

Oh, but I would have voted to upgrade to Trea, Carlos, etc.

And the Tea-leaves do not look good for this being the break-out year. I have no idea what a soggy-shoulder is. But, I did notice a error on a throw from him against LAD.

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Re: Where do we stand on JP Crawford?

Post by Donn Beach » Fri Mar 24, 2023 5:08 am

D-train wrote:
Fri Mar 24, 2023 1:49 am
Donn Beach wrote:
Fri Mar 24, 2023 1:36 am
Thought that was interesting from the article, his having a good eye but he just can't hit a baseball. Remember that from before, the hopeful element of a breakout. He'd learn to square up a pitch. So he has become more effective by not swinging

Terms of being a leader, don't believe that needs to be about slash lines. Could be more him not bringing an ego.
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