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Strike Outs

Post by AZOldDawg » Sun Jul 16, 2023 4:56 pm

Personally I am sick and tired of all the strike outs every single game. It's almost like you know what's going to happen before it does. They just kill innings. Guys like Teo, JK and Geno say they are making adjustments. Not that I can tell. Add JD's "dead weight" players to the mix and it's rather obvious why we are such a limited offensive team. Right now I wouldn't give up our young pitching for a rental period and be real careful if trading.

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Re: Strike Outs

Post by bhofferb » Sun Jul 16, 2023 6:19 pm

The real question is why we don’t have new hitting coaches. It’s clear there is a problem. It’s also clear the current hitting coaches either doesn’t have answers on how to fix the problems or don’t have the players buy-in to get them to change
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Re: Strike Outs

Post by D-train » Sun Jul 16, 2023 6:29 pm

bhofferb wrote:
Sun Jul 16, 2023 6:19 pm
The real question is why we don’t have new hitting coaches. It’s clear there is a problem, and clear the current staff either doesn’t have answers on how to fix them or don’t have the players buy-in
Most teams go through hitting coaches like paper towels and we just keep the same ones for years of shit offense and most teams dfa horribly performing players and we keep stuffing them into the lineup. It is disgusting.
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Re: Strike Outs

Post by Millikin » Sun Jul 16, 2023 8:05 pm

They need to replace the hitting coach, but not because a new hitting coach will better train our hitters - it won't help, major leaguers apparently don't get coached unless they ask to be coached. Hitting coaches dispense advice that might be heard or ignored.

They need to fire the hitting coach, and other coaches probably, so these hapless bums realize their shittiness has consequences. Hit like garbage and you'll potentially ruin another guy's career.

I always have to mention this whenever the annual "fire the hitting coach" idea comes up: They fired a hitting coach a few years ago and replaced him with Edgar Martinez. The Mariners hitting improved for approximately 2 days, then went back to garbage. For 2 days the players were enamored with Edgar enough to take some advice then slipped right back into their old crappy ways.
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Re: Strike Outs

Post by bpj » Mon Jul 17, 2023 2:15 am

Control the zone hasn't worked out too well.

They're trying to get players to be patient to "draw walks".

JP Crawford (14.5%), Suarez (10.6%), Raleigh (10.4%), and Kelenic (9.5%) all have above average BB%. The league average is 8.3%.


Unfortunately, for the most part, their K% more than makes up for that difference.

They're being patient, drawing a few more walks... but it's coming at the expense of striking out more.

The "patience" has led to high K%. Most of these guys don't have the right type of patience to pull it off.

These guys have "Looking Strikeout " percentages of:

Kelenic: 29.5%
Suarez: 28.6%
JP: 27.5%
Cal: 15.8%

Only Cal is below the league average of 22.6%.

So these guys have BB% that are 1-6% better than average, but they're striking out looking between 5-7% higher than league average.

In other words, building your offensive strategy around patience and drawing walks is a terrible idea.

Walks should be a byproduct of pitchers not wanting to throw you strikes, not because the umpire sided with you on a close call.

These bums need to swing the bat.

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Re: Strike Outs

Post by bpj » Mon Jul 17, 2023 2:16 am

Control the zone hasn't worked out too well.

They're trying to get players to be patient to "draw walks".

JP Crawford (14.5%), Suarez (10.6%), Raleigh (10.4%), and Kelenic (9.5%) all have above average BB%. The league average is 8.3%.


Unfortunately, for the most part, their K% more than makes up for that difference.

They're being patient, drawing a few more walks... but it's coming at the expense of striking out more.

The "patience" has led to high K%. Most of these guys don't have the right type of patience to pull it off.

They have "Looking Strikeout " percentages of:

Kelenic: 29.5%
Suarez: 28.6%
JP: 27.5%
Cal: 15.8%

Only Cal is below the league average of 22.6%.

So these guys have BB% that are 1-6% better than average, but they're striking out looking between 5-7% higher than league average.

In other words, building your offensive strategy around patience and drawing walks is a terrible idea.

Walks should be a byproduct of pitchers not wanting to throw you strikes because you try to punish pitches around the zone, not because the umpire sided with you on a close call.

These bums need to swing the bat.

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Re: Strike Outs

Post by bpj » Mon Jul 17, 2023 2:19 am

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