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The Problem with Mitches.

Posted: Thu Aug 01, 2024 5:36 am
by Pharmabro
1st Garver. Until he heats up he can't be a full time DH. He can be a true back-up C. Turner can split time between DH and 1B along with Raley, Vosler, and Moore. (Tyler L. if you recall him). Garver vs RHP 66 WRC+, VS LHP 134 WRC+ .235 .347 .471 .817. VS LHP Garver is your catcher and Raleigh is your DH VS LHP. About 1/4 pitchers are lefties so that is how often we should see Garver.(Period)

I know with Robles hobbled they are short bodies.

2nd slice of Mitch Witch:
Mitch Hanniger used to hit both LH& RH pitching equally well .780 OPS VS LH, .776 OPS vs RH:
2024
VS. LHP .135 .210 .146 .355 The ISO is 0.011 :shock: In 105 PAs
Vs RHP .240 .330 .429 .759 (This side he is actually acceptable)
Last week not today 6 games of .785 OPS
Mitch Hanniger only plays vs RHP, Mitch Garver only catches mainly or DHs vs LHP. These are not small samples that can be ignored and should not be. What is best for the team is to limit these Mitches exposure to what hurts them. And by doing so their numbers should start to climb towards career norms and be a benefit (limited as it may be) vs a detriment to the team.

Make it so #1!

OF should be Robles, JRod, Randy
I guess you could give DH platoon(Hanny vs RH, Gar VS LH). We need production.

Re: The Problem with Mitches.

Posted: Thu Aug 01, 2024 6:55 am
by Donn Beach
Sorry but those would be considered SSS
As is often the case, sample size is an important factor in interpreting these kinds of statistics. Fangraphs has a helpful page in their glossary explaining the intricacies of platoon splits, and it states that batter platoon splits don't stabilize until around 1,000 plate appearances against each hand,

Re: The Problem with Mitches.

Posted: Thu Aug 01, 2024 7:15 am
by Pharmabro
(replace Julio with Vosler, Raley, or Marlow for the next week in each and bat the lower)
Vs LHP
1. Robles OF
2. Randy OF
3. JRod OF In a week
4. Turner 1B
5. Cal DH/C **
6. Dilly 3B
7. Polanco 2B**
8. Garver DH/C
9. SS Rivas ** (JP in a month)

VS RHP
1. Robles OF
2. Randy OF
3. JRod OF
4. Cal C **
5. Polanco 2B **
6. Turner 1B
7. Hanniger DH
8. Rojas * 3B
9. Rivas ** SS (JP in a month)

Bench VS RHP Moore, Raley, Garver, Vosler/ And yes. Turner is 40 and probably shouldn't play every single game so vs lefties you might see Vosler play. And if one of the 3 OF need a break then you could see Raley take a game in the OF vs RHP.

Re: The Problem with Mitches.

Posted: Thu Aug 01, 2024 3:11 pm
by Captain 97
I don't see either of them getting much playing time when everyone gets healthy.

The outfield is Robles Julio and Randy,
DH/1B will be Turner and Raley.
Hanniger might get a bit of time against lefties and Garver will pretty much be nothing but backup catcher.

Re: The Problem with Mitches.

Posted: Thu Aug 01, 2024 3:30 pm
by Mesully11
Captain 97 wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2024 3:11 pm
I don't see either of them getting much playing time when everyone gets healthy.

The outfield is Robles Julio and Randy,
DH/1B will be Turner and Raley.
Hanniger might get a bit of time against lefties and Garver will pretty much be nothing but backup catcher.
Perfection! 👏

Re: The Problem with Mitches.

Posted: Fri Aug 02, 2024 9:43 am
by Pharmabro
Donn Beach wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2024 6:55 am
Sorry but those would be considered SSS
As is often the case, sample size is an important factor in interpreting these kinds of statistics. Fangraphs has a helpful page in their glossary explaining the intricacies of platoon splits, and it states that batter platoon splits don't stabilize until around 1,000 plate appearances against each hand,
I believe you have grossly misread the term "Stabilization" vs an ample sample to detect a change in outcome.

Are you basing it on this:
https://library.fangraphs.com/principles/sample-size/

OMFG

One of my biggest notes was 1 XBH in 106 PA's and this garbage says:
1610 PA: XBH rate

I am sorry if I don't want to watch a repeat of Mitch's .135 .210 .146 .355 X 106 PAs (2024) times 15 fucking fifteen before making the judgement that maybe you stop preferentially sending that shit out vs LHP.

Re: The Problem with Mitches.

Posted: Sun Aug 04, 2024 3:40 am
by Donn Beach
Actually it was more these two

https://library.fangraphs.com/principles/split/
https://blogs.fangraphs.com/estimating- ... oon-skill/

This is an interesting discussion
Carty: This brings up something that bothers me quite a bit. People will often quote lefty/righty (i.e. platoon) splits for players, but they'll do it without any understanding of the statistical significance of these stats. It's firmly established that, on the league level, lefties hit righties better than they hit lefties (and vice-versa), but people extend this assumption onto the player level and cite individual player platoon splits -- which can be a big no-no. On the player level, platoon splits can be incredibly noisy, and this is true for no players more so than for right-handed hitters, which make up the biggest chunk of the player population.

That is to say, there is so much variance in individual player platoon splits that, unless we have a massive sample size to deal with (or at least utilize proper statistical techniques, like regressing the splits, and even that is tricky to do properly), that they simply can't be trusted on their face. Rather than using the actual platoon splits of a player who's been in the league for three or five or possibly more years, we would be more accurate simply assuming that the player has a league average platoon split -- that, say, right-handed batter X hits left-handed pitching as well as any random right-handed batter does rather than assuming he hits them to whatever crazy extent his career platoon splits say he does.
https://abcnews.go.com/Sports/dfs-round ... d=33361134