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Looks like Turner and both Mitches with be on the OD roster
Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2024 8:09 pm
by D-train
Re: Looks like Turner and both Mitches with be on the OD roster
Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2024 8:19 pm
by Big_Maple
Son of a Mitch.
Well that caused me to shart a little. So if I've got this straight: we are committed to bringing back a post-prime 40 year old to platoon with a 1B who received death threats for his inability to hit a baseball. And we're also on record as saying we're gonna keep a guy earning $17MM but who batted an anemic .208 and -0.2 WAR. And we may upgrade at 2B and maybe 3B but we don't plan on spending much in FA. So we'll ship off some prospects for a bunch of no-name has-beens who are at the bottom of a dumpster looking up because they're good bounceback candidates.
Is that about our offseason in a nutshell?
Re: Looks like Turner and both Mitches with be on the OD roster
Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2024 8:23 pm
by D-train
Big_Maple wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 8:19 pm
Son of a Mitch.
Well that caused me to shart a little. So if I've got this straight: we are committed to bringing back a post-prime 40 year old to platoon with a 1B who received death threats for his inability to hit a baseball. And we're also on record as saying we're gonna keep a guy earning $17MM but who batted an anemic .208 and -0.2 WAR. And we may upgrade at 2B and maybe 3B but we don't plan on spending much in FA. So we'll ship off some prospects for a bunch of no-name has-beens who are at the bottom of a dumpster looking up because they're good bounceback candidates.
Is that about our offseason in a nutshell?
LOL the sense I got is either that think the team is fine as is or they realize they are horrible at identifying hitters so they are going to just quit trying.
Re: Looks like Turner and both Mitches with be on the OD roster
Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2024 10:06 pm
by Big_Maple
D-train wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 8:23 pm
LOL the sense I got is either that think the team is fine as is or they realize they are horrible at identifying hitters so they are going to just quit trying.
These idgits are pissing on our legs and telling us it's raining.
First they say "
If you remove something for your club and you add something of equal value, you haven't really moved the ball forward,". So there's only one way to do math. It's always a zero sum game. It's not possible to remove one piece of a starting rotation, weakening it slightly, to acquire one or two position players that improve our offense to a greater extent? And we can't find some other way to patch the pitching deficit if we did trade a starter? Free agency? Another trade? Prospects?
Then they say "
But it’s still clear that a roster that was hamstrung by its strikeout-prone and inconsistent offense could use reinforcements." But we aren't moving a pitcher for more consistent offense. And we're not making a splash in free agency for less strikeout-prone players who could move the needle. It's logically fallacious.
Then, of the Mitches they say "
Combined, they hit .190 with a .623 OPS and were worth -1.0 fWAR. But we anticipate both those guys bouncing back and being better than they were this year." So they summarize all of this inane word salad by stating that we are keeping the two worst hitters on the team despite the fact that the only way we can apparently get better is to get rid of strikeout-prone players and reinforcing our inconsistent offense.
And then Hollander ends his intellectual burp-snart by saying that "
...we're not really looking to rearrange, we're looking to get better." Insert the gif of a mushroom cloud blowing the top of my head off, here.
Re: Looks like Turner and both Mitches with be on the OD roster
Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2024 10:31 pm
by D-train
Big_Maple wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 10:06 pm
D-train wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 8:23 pm
LOL the sense I got is either that think the team is fine as is or they realize they are horrible at identifying hitters so they are going to just quit trying.
These idgits are pissing on our legs and telling us it's raining.
First they say "
If you remove something for your club and you add something of equal value, you haven't really moved the ball forward,". So there's only one way to do math. It's always a zero sum game. It's not possible to remove one piece of a starting rotation, weakening it slightly, to acquire one or two position players that improve our offense to a greater extent? And we can't find some other way to patch the pitching deficit if we did trade a starter? Free agency? Another trade? Prospects?
Then they say "
But it’s still clear that a roster that was hamstrung by its strikeout-prone and inconsistent offense could use reinforcements." But we aren't moving a pitcher for more consistent offense. And we're not making a splash in free agency for less strikeout-prone players who could move the needle. It's logically fallacious.
Then, of the Mitches they say "
Combined, they hit .190 with a .623 OPS and were worth -1.0 fWAR. But we anticipate both those guys bouncing back and being better than they were this year." So they summarize all of this inane word salad by stating that we are keeping the two worst hitters on the team despite the fact that the only way we can apparently get better is to get rid of strikeout-prone players and reinforcing our inconsistent offense.
And then Hollander ends his intellectual burp-snart by saying that "
...we're not really looking to rearrange, we're looking to get better." Insert the gif of a mushroom cloud blowing the top of my head off, here.
Jerry has taught his little grasshopper well. Spews the exact same snake oil BS Jerry does. The only thing that gives me hope is they have not ruled out trading top prospects. That is now the only path to actual improvement but the fact they chose not to do it at the trade deadline and there love of cost controlled player and sustainability leads me to believe that is unlikely as well.
Re: Looks like Turner and both Mitches with be on the OD roster
Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2024 10:32 pm
by Seattle or Bust
Divish with a piece on how they will likely just do the same bullshit at 3B.
So realistically... we're looking at like 1-2 fringe infield moves and that's the off season.
Good Christ...
Re: Looks like Turner and both Mitches with be on the OD roster
Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2024 10:35 pm
by Big_Maple
Seattle or Bust wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 10:32 pm
Divish with a piece on how they will likely just do the same bullshit at 3B.
So realistically... we're looking at like 1-2 fringe infield moves and that's the off season.
Good Christ...
But thank jeebus they're keeping Turner and his veteran clubhouse presence. The towel snapping in the showers, Taco Tuesdays and karaoke on the team bus should keep their spirits up as their season goes down the shitter.
Re: Looks like Turner and both Mitches with be on the OD roster
Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2024 10:53 pm
by D-train
Big_Maple wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 10:35 pm
Seattle or Bust wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 10:32 pm
Divish with a piece on how they will likely just do the same bullshit at 3B.
So realistically... we're looking at like 1-2 fringe infield moves and that's the off season.
Good Christ...
But thank jeebus they're keeping Turner and his veteran clubhouse presence. The towel snapping in the showers, Taco Tuesdays and karaoke on the team bus should keep their spirits up as their season goes down the shitter.
That veteran presence BS is so overblown. It is just another reason to justify signing cheap old guys....
Re: Looks like Turner and both Mitches with be on the OD roster
Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2024 11:12 pm
by Big_Maple
D-train wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 10:53 pm
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That veteran presence BS is so overblown. It is just another reason to justify signing cheap old guys....
https://sports.mynorthwest.com/1789548/ ... -presence/
I don't hate the guy, but the cliched sentiment is all "gag me with a pile driver".
Re: Looks like Turner and both Mitches with be on the OD roster
Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2024 11:17 pm
by Pharmabro
I am fine with keeping Garver as a base back-up catcher. I would be open to getting him ABs if earned at 1B/DH.
Hanniger bounce back?
If they got Lowe @ 2B, Bohm @ 3B, and JT @ 1B/DH I would be ok with it. But any of this BS where they use utilities as starting 3B platoon BS is beyond pathetic. It is planning to fail.