Where to go from here.

[kpak76]

Russell Wilson was a game manager the year we won the Superbowl????

People seem to forget some games that where played that year and the year prior. That year Wilson came back from a 20 plus point deficite to the Tampa Bay Bucs. The year prior, he didn't game manage to win against the Patriots or when he took the team on his back against the Bears. The game they lost to the Falcons in the playoffs was not because Wilson didn't make plays. He was one of the best QB's we've seen playing against the Falcons who he came back against only to have the defense blow it at the last seconds. This is just what I remember off the top of my head. Wilson was never a game manager.

I get it, people are hurt that he chose to leave. He was never a game manager, he was one of those rare talents that "tilts the field" as Schneider put it when he drafted him.

Yes its possible to get to the Superbowl and win without a legit franchise guy at QB. Wilson however was not a "game manager" at any point of his career.

[Sibelius Hindemith]

The main difference is that Carrol's offensive and defensive philosophies are outdated now.

[D-train]

Russell Wilson was a game manager the year we won the Superbowl????

People seem to forget some games that where played that year and the year prior. That year Wilson came back from a 20 plus point deficite to the Tampa Bay Bucs. The year prior, he didn't game manage to win against the Patriots or when he took the team on his back against the Bears. The game they lost to the Falcons in the playoffs was not because Wilson didn't make plays. He was one of the best QB's we've seen playing against the Falcons who he came back against only to have the defense blow it at the last seconds. This is just what I remember off the top of my head. Wilson was never a game manager.

I get it, people are hurt that he chose to leave. He was never a game manager, he was one of those rare talents that "tilts the field" as Schneider put it when he drafted him.

Yes its possible to get to the Superbowl and win without a legit franchise guy at QB. Wilson however was not a "game manager" at any point of his career.

Yeah, total agree. At times he may have appeared to be a Game manager due to PCs game plan.

[kpak76]

Russell Wilson was a game manager the year we won the Superbowl????

People seem to forget some games that where played that year and the year prior. That year Wilson came back from a 20 plus point deficite to the Tampa Bay Bucs. The year prior, he didn't game manage to win against the Patriots or when he took the team on his back against the Bears. The game they lost to the Falcons in the playoffs was not because Wilson didn't make plays. He was one of the best QB's we've seen playing against the Falcons who he came back against only to have the defense blow it at the last seconds. This is just what I remember off the top of my head. Wilson was never a game manager.

I get it, people are hurt that he chose to leave. He was never a game manager, he was one of those rare talents that "tilts the field" as Schneider put it when he drafted him.

Yes its possible to get to the Superbowl and win without a legit franchise guy at QB. Wilson however was not a "game manager" at any point of his career.

Yeah, total agree. At times he may have appeared to be a Game manager due to PCs game plan.

I think every HOF caliber quarterback benefits from an all word defense and all pro RB. Maybe even Rodgers wont need to sling the ball 50 times on a team like that.

[57reasons]

Russell Wilson was a game manager the year we won the Superbowl????

People seem to forget some games that where played that year and the year prior. That year Wilson came back from a 20 plus point deficite to the Tampa Bay Bucs. The year prior, he didn't game manage to win against the Patriots or when he took the team on his back against the Bears. The game they lost to the Falcons in the playoffs was not because Wilson didn't make plays. He was one of the best QB's we've seen playing against the Falcons who he came back against only to have the defense blow it at the last seconds. This is just what I remember off the top of my head. Wilson was never a game manager.

I get it, people are hurt that he chose to leave. He was never a game manager, he was one of those rare talents that "tilts the field" as Schneider put it when he drafted him.

Yes its possible to get to the Superbowl and win without a legit franchise guy at QB. Wilson however was not a "game manager" at any point of his career.

Yeah, total agree. At times he may have appeared to be a Game manager due to PCs game plan.

I think every HOF caliber quarterback benefits from an all word defense and all pro RB. Maybe even Rodgers wont need to sling the ball 50 times on a team like that.

for sure, that's why Rodgers has been so great the last two years, after the development of Aaron Jones at halfback, whereas the for a couple years before that they had nothing - even trotting out the receiver from Stanford in the backfield. Same thing for Mahomes - he was better when they had Hunt in the backfield with him.

[Michael K.]

for sure, that's why Rodgers has been so great the last two years, after the development of Aaron Jones at halfback, whereas the for a couple years before that they had nothing - even trotting out the receiver from Stanford in the backfield. Same thing for Mahomes - he was better when they had Hunt in the backfield with him.

These guys get paid more money than any player before them, and it happens every four years or so, some QB resets the market....and people act surprised that the talent around them isn't as good. You have four years to win a Super Bowl, if your QB isn't going to take a discount. After that? Who was won one? Manning won one, Brady won several and he took less money. Otherwise, what QB won a ring on a giant deal? The Chiefs are going to lose a little each and every year, they just have to hope that the salary cap increase can off set some of it, but it is hard to draft near the bottom, pay your QB more money than any has ever made before, and continue to win. It isn't like Seattle is the only place it happens.

What you absolutely CAN'T do, is get cute with your early round draft picks. I think our collapse could have been remedied a bit if we didn't reach in the first round. Penny was a reach, Collier was more than a reach. Even Brooks, who has worked out, was a player at a position that wasn't really a need at the time. I am not sure there wasn't someone available after him that could help us out.

This has been going on for some time. The #1 Free Agent available right now is Tarik Armstead....the Tackle we passed on so we could draft C Mike, even though we had not only in his Prime Marshawn Lynch, but Robert Turbin as well. Getting cute.

[Captain 97]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0wU2KvZ3Zc

To make the superbowl it takes a good QB and coach combo.

This is not true.
In the last 10 years we have seen Joe Flacco, Nick Foles, Jarrod Goff and Jimmy Garoppolo. In the Superbowl. Thats 20% of teams in the super bowl without a "Good QB" and two of those guys won it.

The Hawks have the cap space and draft capital to build stud lines on both sides of the ball and get a lockdown secondary. That's the route I want to see them take rather throw a bunch of resources at another QB.

[Michael K.]

This is not true.
In the last 10 years we have seen Joe Flacco, Nick Foles, Jarrod Goff and Jimmy Garoppolo. In the Superbowl. Thats 20% of teams in the super bowl without a "Good QB" and two of those guys won it.

Very true, but there are exceptions to every rule. The league hadn't figured out McVey's robot yet. As soon as teams realized Goff's limitations the Rams had to sell their sole to get back to the Super Bowl. Jimmy G played in a great system. To me? That Niner team was an awful lot like the Seahawk teams that made the Super Bowl. And yet? They haven't been back and are looking to upgrade at the position. Flacco signed a big deal and it ruined the Ravens for some time. The Eagles? That was a crazy game, but the ground game was HUGE, so again, good D Line and a good run game. Much like those two Seahawks teams.

The Hawks have the cap space and draft capital to build stud lines on both sides of the ball and get a lockdown secondary. That's the route I want to see them take rather throw a bunch of resources at another QB.

Yep, they do, and that excites me. I also think it is imperative to find the next QB in one of the next two drafts to help keep that cap space. IMO it is no coincidence that our deep playoff runs ended the same time the rookie QB deal did.

[HawkandMariner88]

Do what you do best: trade back and acquire a 1st next year.

[douche]

These guys get paid more money than any player before them, and it happens every four years or so, some QB resets the market....and people act surprised that the talent around them isn't as good. You have four years to win a Super Bowl, if your QB isn't going to take a discount. After that? Who was won one? Manning won one, Brady won several and he took less money. Otherwise, what QB won a ring on a giant deal? The Chiefs are going to lose a little each and every year, they just have to hope that the salary cap increase can off set some of it, but it is hard to draft near the bottom, pay your QB more money than any has ever made before, and continue to win. It isn't like Seattle is the only place it happens.

Agreed. Rodgers will bank a pile of cash, but he won't win another SB. They don't have enough pieces. I just don't see him getting to the big game again.

Wilson wanted out, but SEA probably wasn't all that keen on paying him a boatload of cash on the next contract. It's too bad they signed Carroll to that massive extension. Otherwise, they could have blown this thing up real good.