Josh Gordon suspended Indefinitely

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Re: Josh Gordon suspended Indefinitely

Post by Donn Beach » Tue Dec 17, 2019 11:42 pm

everybody keeps assuming its weed without any idea what it is. I believe the guy has issues that goes beyond some weed. I posted before that the rumor has been he has been suspended for more than weed. I do not believe this is about some guy that likes to go out back and smoke a joint, its more complicated than that.
from an interview in 2017
“Initially it started for me, (because of) a lot of childhood and adolescent trauma-based fear,” he said. “I was using in my childhood. That environment brought me into that a lot sooner than a normal—whatever normal is—kid should be brought into that, to be able to make a decision on their own of what to do.

“I didn’t want to feel anxiety, I didn’t want to feel fear. I didn’t plan on living to 18. Day-to-day life, what’s gonna happen next? So you self-medicate with Xanax, with marijuana, codeine—to help numb those nerves so you can just function every day. That became the norm from middle school to high school. So by the time I got into my 20s, I was on an accelerated pace.”
reminds me of the issues Harvin talked about, though he claimed he smoked weed before every game, never got busted which I find hard to believe

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Re: Josh Gordon suspended Indefinitely

Post by seattlefan-daBronx » Wed Dec 18, 2019 1:12 am

Damn! He was just starting to weed his way up the ranks on this offense too.
Oh what?...too soon?
His performance with the Seahawks was "highly"-rated.
I knew something was up when he enhaled a whole bag of Doritos on the sideline.
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Re: Josh Gordon suspended Indefinitely

Post by roosevelt » Wed Dec 18, 2019 5:48 am

Don't worry fellas, Antonio Brown is available...

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Re: Josh Gordon suspended Indefinitely

Post by D-train » Wed Dec 18, 2019 2:32 pm

Stone:
This column is not exactly directed at Josh Gordon and his heartbreaking situation.

There are some extenuating circumstances that make Gordon an entity unto himself – the repeated violations of the NFL’s substance-abuse policy (eight suspensions in addition to an arrest for driving while impaired) and the fact that his latest suspension, the one that bounced him off the Seahawks on Monday, also nailed him for using a performance-enhancing substance.

But Gordon’s saga does, in an indirect way, shine the spotlight on the NFL’s marijuana policy, one that is overdue for a change that aligns it with modern sensibilities.

It’s important to note we don’t know which substance of abuse Gordon was punished for this time, though he certainly has a widely chronicled association with weed. But coupled with another recent event, it provokes a timely discussion on where the NFL needs to go in legislating marijuana use.

The recent event to which I alluded was MLB’s announcement last week that it was altering its drug policy, in a negotiated agreement with the players’ union. Namely, the league is going to drop punishment for marijuana and start testing for opioids and cocaine.

The latter was spurred by the last season’s death of Angels pitcher Tyler Skaggs, who had a mix of alcohol, fentanyl and oxycodone in his system when he died in his hotel room July 1. The former is, in the words of union chief Tony Clark, “part of a larger conversation that was reflective of the attitudes changing in many parts of the country.”

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That’s a conversation that has already begun in the NFL as well. But let’s hope it accelerates. No sport puts its players through more abuse than does football, which at the professional level has been likened in one study to 62 car crashes each week for players.

The recuperative benefits of marijuana aren’t definitive, but there are certainly strong indications that it helps the body deal with pain – and pro football players are in constant pain. It’s certainly a much better route to go than opioids, the prevalent means of pain management in the NFL. One need look no longer than the national opioid epidemic to see the dangers therein.

Couple that with the national trend toward de-stigmatizing marijuana – 11 U.S. states have legalized recreational use, as did Canada in 2018, and 33 U.S. states (plus the District of Columbia) allow marijuana use in some form, mostly medicinal – and it’s time for the NFL to update its policy.

The NFL took a positive step in that direction in May, when it reached agreement with the NFL Players Association on the formation of a joint committee to study and assess pain-management alternatives to the use of painkillers (in addition to requiring a mental-health practitioner for each team).

Though marijuana wasn’t explicitly mentioned, Allen Sills, the league’s chief medical officer, told the Washington Post, “We’ll look at marijuana.”

Of course, it won’t be as easy as merely adopting a new policy that follows the lead of the NHL, NBA and MLB in being less punitive on marijuana violations. The NFL tends to move in baby steps on these matters.

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There’s also the matter of the upcoming negotiations on the collective bargaining agreement. The CBA is set to expire in 2021, and both sides will grab every bit of leverage they can get. Mike Florio of NBC Sports has reported that NFL owners are of a mind to make wholesale changes to its marijuana policy that reduce the penalties – but want to use those concessions as a CBA bargaining chip.

An ESPN poll in 2016 revealed that nearly 60 percent of players worried about the long-term effects of painkillers, and 61 percent said fewer players would take such drugs if marijuana were an allowed substance. Numerous ex-players have extolled the virtues of marijuana and CBD (a compound that is said to provide pain relief without the psychoactive properties of THC in cannabis).

“Everyone knows this game is brutal,” former Chargers offensive lineman Kyle Turley told the Los Angeles Times. “Cannabis saved my life, period, and it could help a lot of other players.”

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Players might actually be opposed to negotiating a change in the CBA, Florio said. That’s because passing the NFL’s drug test for weed is something that 95 percent of players know how to do. It has been described more as an intelligence test than anything else; as long as they have not tested positive before, players are tested only once a year, during a four-month window between April 20 (commence with 4/20 jokes) and Aug. 9. In other words, if you can abstain during the offseason (until your test), you essentially have free reign to imbibe during the season.

In baseball, major-leaguers were never tested for weed. But minor-leaguers, who are not protected by the union, had been suspended for their second and subsequent positive marijuana tests. In making its announcement last week, MLB said marijuana-related conduct would now be treated the same as alcohol-related conduct. That means players (in both the majors and minors) would face discipline only related to “unsanctioned conduct while under the influence.” Those who test positive would be subject to mandatory evaluation and voluntary treatment.

It seems the proper way to go in 2019 and moving forward. It’s too late to affect Gordon, who knew what the rules were and couldn’t abide by them. But why shouldn’t football players be allowed to indulge – safely and sanely and above board – in the same behavior available to most American adults?

Even the ones who don’t endure 62 car crashes a week.
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Re: Josh Gordon suspended Indefinitely

Post by bhofferb » Thu Dec 19, 2019 8:34 pm

D-train wrote:
Wed Dec 18, 2019 2:32 pm
Stone:
This column is not exactly directed at Josh Gordon and his heartbreaking situation.

There are some extenuating circumstances that make Gordon an entity unto himself – the repeated violations of the NFL’s substance-abuse policy (eight suspensions in addition to an arrest for driving while impaired) and the fact that his latest suspension, the one that bounced him off the Seahawks on Monday, also nailed him for using a performance-enhancing substance.

But Gordon’s saga does, in an indirect way, shine the spotlight on the NFL’s marijuana policy, one that is overdue for a change that aligns it with modern sensibilities.

It’s important to note we don’t know which substance of abuse Gordon was punished for this time, though he certainly has a widely chronicled association with weed. But coupled with another recent event, it provokes a timely discussion on where the NFL needs to go in legislating marijuana use.

The recent event to which I alluded was MLB’s announcement last week that it was altering its drug policy, in a negotiated agreement with the players’ union. Namely, the league is going to drop punishment for marijuana and start testing for opioids and cocaine.

The latter was spurred by the last season’s death of Angels pitcher Tyler Skaggs, who had a mix of alcohol, fentanyl and oxycodone in his system when he died in his hotel room July 1. The former is, in the words of union chief Tony Clark, “part of a larger conversation that was reflective of the attitudes changing in many parts of the country.”

Why did my inner junior-high-kid snicker when I read "joint committee" :D :D

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That’s a conversation that has already begun in the NFL as well. But let’s hope it accelerates. No sport puts its players through more abuse than does football, which at the professional level has been likened in one study to 62 car crashes each week for players.

The recuperative benefits of marijuana aren’t definitive, but there are certainly strong indications that it helps the body deal with pain – and pro football players are in constant pain. It’s certainly a much better route to go than opioids, the prevalent means of pain management in the NFL. One need look no longer than the national opioid epidemic to see the dangers therein.

Couple that with the national trend toward de-stigmatizing marijuana – 11 U.S. states have legalized recreational use, as did Canada in 2018, and 33 U.S. states (plus the District of Columbia) allow marijuana use in some form, mostly medicinal – and it’s time for the NFL to update its policy.

The NFL took a positive step in that direction in May, when it reached agreement with the NFL Players Association on the formation of a joint committee to study and assess pain-management alternatives to the use of painkillers (in addition to requiring a mental-health practitioner for each team).

Though marijuana wasn’t explicitly mentioned, Allen Sills, the league’s chief medical officer, told the Washington Post, “We’ll look at marijuana.”

Of course, it won’t be as easy as merely adopting a new policy that follows the lead of the NHL, NBA and MLB in being less punitive on marijuana violations. The NFL tends to move in baby steps on these matters.

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There’s also the matter of the upcoming negotiations on the collective bargaining agreement. The CBA is set to expire in 2021, and both sides will grab every bit of leverage they can get. Mike Florio of NBC Sports has reported that NFL owners are of a mind to make wholesale changes to its marijuana policy that reduce the penalties – but want to use those concessions as a CBA bargaining chip.

An ESPN poll in 2016 revealed that nearly 60 percent of players worried about the long-term effects of painkillers, and 61 percent said fewer players would take such drugs if marijuana were an allowed substance. Numerous ex-players have extolled the virtues of marijuana and CBD (a compound that is said to provide pain relief without the psychoactive properties of THC in cannabis).

“Everyone knows this game is brutal,” former Chargers offensive lineman Kyle Turley told the Los Angeles Times. “Cannabis saved my life, period, and it could help a lot of other players.”

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Your dose of local sports news. Delivered Monday through Friday.

Players might actually be opposed to negotiating a change in the CBA, Florio said. That’s because passing the NFL’s drug test for weed is something that 95 percent of players know how to do. It has been described more as an intelligence test than anything else; as long as they have not tested positive before, players are tested only once a year, during a four-month window between April 20 (commence with 4/20 jokes) and Aug. 9. In other words, if you can abstain during the offseason (until your test), you essentially have free reign to imbibe during the season.

In baseball, major-leaguers were never tested for weed. But minor-leaguers, who are not protected by the union, had been suspended for their second and subsequent positive marijuana tests. In making its announcement last week, MLB said marijuana-related conduct would now be treated the same as alcohol-related conduct. That means players (in both the majors and minors) would face discipline only related to “unsanctioned conduct while under the influence.” Those who test positive would be subject to mandatory evaluation and voluntary treatment.

It seems the proper way to go in 2019 and moving forward. It’s too late to affect Gordon, who knew what the rules were and couldn’t abide by them. But why shouldn’t football players be allowed to indulge – safely and sanely and above board – in the same behavior available to most American adults?

Even the ones who don’t endure 62 car crashes a week.

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