To pay a QB, or to not pay a QB?

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To pay a QB, or to not pay a QB?

Post by Michael K. » Mon Jan 20, 2025 6:55 pm

High-priced quarterbacks crash-and-burn. The three highest paid quarterbacks in the playoffs were Jordan Love ($55 million per year) Jared Goff ($53 million) and Justin Herbert (52.5 million). They ended up going 0-3 with a combined 10 interceptions.
That is insane, but that said....look at the four QBs still alive.

I get an email from CBS Sports every Monday, so no link. But here is the complete list.
14 crazy stats from the divisional round

Every Sunday night I get an email from our research department here at CBS Sports, and every Sunday that email always includes some amazingly wild facts about the games that were just played.

With that in mind, here are 14 crazy facts from the divisional round:

1. Commanders end record drought. The Commanders are headed to the NFC title game for the first time since 1991. They went 33 seasons between trips, which is tied with the Bengals for the longest drought in NFL history. The Commanders also became just the third team to reach a conference title game after losing 13 games or more in the prior season, joining the 2006 Saints and 2017 Jaguars.

2. Jayden Daniels is breaking rookie records. Daniels has now led the Commanders to 14 wins this season, which is tied with Ben Roethlisberger for the most-ever by a rookie QB. Daniels also tied Mark Sanchez and Joe Flacco for the most road playoff wins (two) by a rookie QB in NFL history. Daniels is set to become just the sixth rookie to start a conference title game, joining Shaun King, Brock Purdy, Roethlisberger, Flacco and Sanchez. With a win over the Eagles, Daniels would become the first rookie QB to lead his team to the Super Bowl.

3. NFC title game drought. With the Commanders advancing to the NFC Championship, that means there is only one NFC team that has yet to make it to the NFC title game this century: the Dallas Cowboys (1995)

4. Chiefs headed back to AFC Championship. The Chiefs are headed to the AFC title game for the seventh straight season, which is the second-longest streak in NFL history, trailing on the Patriots, who made it in eight straight seasons from 2011 to 2018.

5. Chiefs going for a three-peat. No team in NFL history has ever won three straight Super Bowls. As a matter of fact, the Chiefs are just the fourth team ever to be on the cusp of winning a third straight title. The 1976 Steelers, 1990 49ers, 1994 Cowboys all lost in the conference title round while trying to win their third straight Super Bowl, which means the Chiefs could become the first two-time defending champion to make it to the Super Bowl if they can beat the Bills.

6. Chiefs cans still count on Kelce. Travis Kelce caught seven passes for 117 yards, marking the ninth time he's topped 100 yards in his postseason career. That moves him past Jerry Rice for the most 100-yard receiving games in NFL playoff history.

7. Chiefs invent new way to win. The Chiefs got outgained by more than 100 yards and they didn't force a turnover, but they still won, marking the first time that's ever happened in NFL playoff history. Going into the divisional round, NFL teams were 0-49 when being outgained by at least 100 yards while also forcing zero turnovers.

8. Josh Allen can't get to the big game. With Buffalo's win over the Ravens, Allen now has seven career playoffs wins, which is the most by any QB in NFL history without a Super Bowl appearance.

9. Lamar Jackson can't win any big games. Jackson is one just 10 quarterbacks in NFL history who have won the MVP at least twice. Of that group, Jackson is the ONLY one with a losing record in the playoffs and the only one without at least one Super Bowl ring.

10. Saquon steamrolls the Rams. Saquon Barkley finished with 205 rushing yards against the Rams, which is the fifth-best single-game performance in NFL history. The record is held by Eric Dickerson, who rushed for 248 yards in the 1985 wild-card round while playing for the Rams.

11. Lions crash and burn. The Lions became just the second 15-win team in NFL history to get knocked out of the playoffs in their first game. The Lions joined the 2011 Packers, who lost in the divisional round after going 15-1.

12. NFC North crashes and burns. The NFC North teams finished with the best record of any division in NFL history, but that didn't help them in the playoffs. The division went 0-3 marking just the second time since the AFL-NFL merger in 1970 that a division sent three teams to the playoffs without winning a game (1982 AFC Central).

13. High-priced quarterbacks crash-and-burn. The three highest paid quarterbacks in the playoffs were Jordan Love ($55 million per year) Jared Goff ($53 million) and Justin Herbert (52.5 million). They ended up going 0-3 with a combined 10 interceptions.

14. Failure is not an option on fourth down. There were only five teams in the NFL that converted more than 68% of their fourth downs this year and four of them are still alive in the playoffs. Here's a look at the top teams at fourth-down conversions, including their playoff numbers: Commanders (81.3% conversion rate), Bills (76%), Eagles (72.4%), Lions (68.6%), Chiefs (68.4%).

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Re: To pay a QB, or to not pay a QB?

Post by Sibelius Hindemith » Mon Jan 20, 2025 7:40 pm

10. Saquon steamrolls the Rams. Saquon Barkley finished with 205 rushing yards against the Rams, which is the fifth-best single-game performance in NFL history. The record is held by Eric Dickerson, who rushed for 248 yards in the 1985 wild-card round while playing for the Rams.
205 isn't even top 50 in NFL history. Maybe playoff history?

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Post by Michael K. » Mon Jan 20, 2025 8:03 pm

Sibelius Hindemith wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2025 7:40 pm
10. Saquon steamrolls the Rams. Saquon Barkley finished with 205 rushing yards against the Rams, which is the fifth-best single-game performance in NFL history. The record is held by Eric Dickerson, who rushed for 248 yards in the 1985 wild-card round while playing for the Rams.
205 isn't even top 50 in NFL history. Maybe playoff history?
I'm sure it is playoff history.

Crazy how the Commanders are the only team left with a team friendly QB contract. Seems to fly in the face of what we all thought, well, I sure thought it. That you could only get there with a Vet if they were like Brady and took less. I wonder if the success of the league and ensuing salary cap had something to do with that, or if the Eagles, Bills and Chiefs are just doing a better job of making the right moves with less wiggle room?

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Post by Donn Beach » Mon Jan 20, 2025 8:38 pm

2. Jayden Daniels is breaking rookie records. Daniels has now led the Commanders to 14 wins this season, which is tied with Ben Roethlisberger for the most-ever by a rookie QB. Daniels also tied Mark Sanchez and Joe Flacco for the most road playoff wins (two) by a rookie QB in NFL history. Daniels is set to become just the sixth rookie to start a conference title game, joining Shaun King, Brock Purdy, Roethlisberger, Flacco and Sanchez. With a win over the Eagles, Daniels would become the first rookie QB to lead his team to the Super Bowl
That's great but it makes it sound like it's all about Daniels. There's a lot more to what the commanders accomplished than adding a QB no matter how good. The commanders were a dumpster fire a season ago, grabbing a QB doesn't turn that around. There's a gm I'm really impressed with, I'm not that familiar with him but damn. And Quinn, maybe there's something to be said about old retreads.

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Re: To pay a QB, or to not pay a QB?

Post by Michael K. » Mon Jan 20, 2025 9:26 pm

Donn Beach wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2025 8:38 pm
2. Jayden Daniels is breaking rookie records. Daniels has now led the Commanders to 14 wins this season, which is tied with Ben Roethlisberger for the most-ever by a rookie QB. Daniels also tied Mark Sanchez and Joe Flacco for the most road playoff wins (two) by a rookie QB in NFL history. Daniels is set to become just the sixth rookie to start a conference title game, joining Shaun King, Brock Purdy, Roethlisberger, Flacco and Sanchez. With a win over the Eagles, Daniels would become the first rookie QB to lead his team to the Super Bowl
That's great but it makes it sound like it's all about Daniels. There's a lot more to what the commanders accomplished than adding a QB no matter how good. The commanders were a dumpster fire a season ago, grabbing a QB doesn't turn that around. There's a gm I'm really impressed with, I'm not that familiar with him but damn. And Quinn, maybe there's something to be said about old retreads.
They had Sam Howell at QB last year. That team doesn't win six games with Howell this year, let alone make the NFCCG.

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Post by douche » Mon Jan 20, 2025 9:30 pm

I don't think there will ever be a sure-fire formula for selecting a QB. Brady was a 6th rounder. And there are so many 1st round busts. Anyone can measure their height, weight, hand size, etc. but it's the intangibles that can't be measured empirically.

I mentioned this on another thread, but out of 32 starters in the NFL, half of those aren't much good. Half of the remaining 16 are serviceable. Of the 8 left, 4 are good, 4 might be elite. Factor in questionable ownership, management and coaching and it's a total crapshoot. Are the supporting pieces in place? Is the coaching up to speed? Is ownership dedicated to winning, and do they support the management and coaches?

Tough questions.
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Re: To pay a QB, or to not pay a QB?

Post by Sibelius Hindemith » Mon Jan 20, 2025 9:32 pm

Donn Beach wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2025 8:38 pm
2. Jayden Daniels is breaking rookie records. Daniels has now led the Commanders to 14 wins this season, which is tied with Ben Roethlisberger for the most-ever by a rookie QB. Daniels also tied Mark Sanchez and Joe Flacco for the most road playoff wins (two) by a rookie QB in NFL history. Daniels is set to become just the sixth rookie to start a conference title game, joining Shaun King, Brock Purdy, Roethlisberger, Flacco and Sanchez. With a win over the Eagles, Daniels would become the first rookie QB to lead his team to the Super Bowl
That's great but it makes it sound like it's all about Daniels. There's a lot more to what the commanders accomplished than adding a QB no matter how good. The commanders were a dumpster fire a season ago, grabbing a QB doesn't turn that around. There's a gm I'm really impressed with, I'm not that familiar with him but damn. And Quinn, maybe there's something to be said about old retreads.
And they don't mention Jayden had the advantage of playing a 17 game season.

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Post by Michael K. » Mon Jan 20, 2025 9:43 pm

The extra game only impacts his record with Big Ben. The playoff games? Pretty big deal....winning two road playoffs games as a rookie? Not sure what is so under impressive by what this kid has done this year. We'd have won the Division with him, IMO.

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Re: To pay a QB, or to not pay a QB?

Post by Michael K. » Mon Jan 20, 2025 9:44 pm

douche wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2025 9:30 pm
I don't think there will ever be a sure-fire formula for selecting a QB. Brady was a 6th rounder. And there are so many 1st round busts. Anyone can measure their height, weight, hand size, etc. but it's the intangibles that can't be measured empirically.

I mentioned this on another thread, but out of 32 starters in the NFL, half of those aren't much good. Half of the remaining 16 are serviceable. Of the 8 left, 4 are good, 4 might be elite. Factor in questionable ownership, management and coaching and it's a total crapshoot. Are the supporting pieces in place? Is the coaching up to speed? Is ownership dedicated to winning, and do they support the management and coaches?

Tough questions.
I couldn't agree more.

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Re: To pay a QB, or to not pay a QB?

Post by Donn Beach » Mon Jan 20, 2025 9:48 pm

Michael K. wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2025 9:26 pm
Donn Beach wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2025 8:38 pm
2. Jayden Daniels is breaking rookie records. Daniels has now led the Commanders to 14 wins this season, which is tied with Ben Roethlisberger for the most-ever by a rookie QB. Daniels also tied Mark Sanchez and Joe Flacco for the most road playoff wins (two) by a rookie QB in NFL history. Daniels is set to become just the sixth rookie to start a conference title game, joining Shaun King, Brock Purdy, Roethlisberger, Flacco and Sanchez. With a win over the Eagles, Daniels would become the first rookie QB to lead his team to the Super Bowl
That's great but it makes it sound like it's all about Daniels. There's a lot more to what the commanders accomplished than adding a QB no matter how good. The commanders were a dumpster fire a season ago, grabbing a QB doesn't turn that around. There's a gm I'm really impressed with, I'm not that familiar with him but damn. And Quinn, maybe there's something to be said about old retreads.
They had Sam Howell at QB last year. That team doesn't win six games with Howell this year, let alone make the NFCCG.
The Commanders went from perhaps the worst offensive line in the league to being ranked here 7th in a single season, did Jenkins do that?
Pro Football Focus recently released its offensive line rankings ahead of Week 14, listing Washington at No. 7.

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