To pay a QB, or to not pay a QB?

[Donn Beach]

But peters traded him, it was the Seahawks that bit. He also managed to land a dynamic oc, something the Seahawks couldn't manage

[Donn Beach]

They're just getting started, wonder how long they can hang on to kingsbury

. The league is officially on notice. Washington's rebuild is just getting started.

They have almost $100 million in available salary-cap space this offseason and seven draft picks at their disposal. The Commanders are a hot team again, which makes them an attractive destination in a big market.

[Pharmabro]

I don't think there will ever be a sure-fire formula for selecting a QB. Brady was a 6th rounder. And there are so many 1st round busts. Anyone can measure their height, weight, hand size, etc. but it's the intangibles that can't be measured empirically.

I mentioned this on another thread, but out of 32 starters in the NFL, half of those aren't much good. Half of the remaining 16 are serviceable. Of the 8 left, 4 are good, 4 might be elite. Factor in questionable ownership, management and coaching and it's a total crapshoot. Are the supporting pieces in place? Is the coaching up to speed? Is ownership dedicated to winning, and do they support the management and coaches?

Tough questions.

I am not in the same boat. When I think of the top QBs in the league, I am pretty sure most would say Mahomes #1.

But, give me a top 5: I could make a case for:
Lamar
Allen
Daniels
STroud
Hurts
Love
Stafford
Herbert
Burrow
Tua
And just a few years ago, I would have added Big Ben, Rodgers, WIlson, Brady, Breeze, and Manning to that list.

[Gametime]

Kind of crazy, but literally very hard to find a starting QB not in the first round. So, not drafting one is very hard to succeed. And in the playoffs right now even harder (3 top 11 picks and a second rounder in the final 4). In the divisional round All top 11 picks and a 2 rounder. 3 of them top 3 picks.

So, counting the starting QBs in the league (did add both Fields and Russ, and Daniel Jones) here is the breakdown of starting NFL QB's.

23 1st round to 15 picks
4 top 16-32 picks
4 2nd rounders
2 3rd roundes
2 4th rounders
1 7th rounder

Not really much choice for the Hawks. Retread of a 2nd rounder like Geno or Carr, or a top 3 pick in Darnold. Or roll the dice with Riley Leonard or Jalen Milroe types.

[Michael K.]

Kind of crazy, but literally very hard to find a starting QB not in the first round. So, not drafting one is very hard to succeed. And in the playoffs right now even harder (3 top 11 picks and a second rounder in the final 4). In the divisional round All top 11 picks and a 2 rounder. 3 of them top 3 picks.

So, counting the starting QBs in the league (did add both Fields and Russ, and Daniel Jones) here is the breakdown of starting NFL QB's.

23 1st round to 15 picks
4 top 16-32 picks
4 2nd rounders
2 3rd roundes
2 4th rounders
1 7th rounder

Not really much choice for the Hawks. Retread of a 2nd rounder like Geno or Carr, or a top 3 pick in Darnold. Or roll the dice with Riley Leonard or Jalen Milroe types.

But, but, but.....Tom Brady. There aren't many Brady's anymore. Heck, there aren't very many Wilson's anymore. 5 starters taken after the second round!?

[D-train]

Lots of noise around Dart lately. He has a great season in the SEC.

[Michael K.]

Lots of noise around Dart lately. He has a great season in the SEC.

Jeremiah said on Brock and Salk this morning that his comp in Jalen Hurts! Granted, I had just pulled into the gym parking lot and didn't want to wait for him to finish, but Hurts! Wow.

I guess I haven't paid that much attention to the kid, but my son has been telling me for weeks that is who we should target. I don't think even he thought at 18 though. My God, QBs get a buzz and all of a sudden they are first rounders. Crazy shit.

[D-train]

Check his stats. The improvement each year is especially impressive.

[douche]

I don't think there will ever be a sure-fire formula for selecting a QB. Brady was a 6th rounder. And there are so many 1st round busts. Anyone can measure their height, weight, hand size, etc. but it's the intangibles that can't be measured empirically.

I mentioned this on another thread, but out of 32 starters in the NFL, half of those aren't much good. Half of the remaining 16 are serviceable. Of the 8 left, 4 are good, 4 might be elite. Factor in questionable ownership, management and coaching and it's a total crapshoot. Are the supporting pieces in place? Is the coaching up to speed? Is ownership dedicated to winning, and do they support the management and coaches?

Tough questions.

I am not in the same boat. When I think of the top QBs in the league, I am pretty sure most would say Mahomes #1.

But, give me a top 5: I could make a case for:
Lamar
Allen
Daniels
STroud
Hurts
Love
Stafford
Herbert
Burrow
Tua
And just a few years ago, I would have added Big Ben, Rodgers, WIlson, Brady, Breeze, and Manning to that list.

It's been awhile so I decided to revisit this. I count 11 players you named that could be in your top 5. Which leaves 21 starters that are either just okay or barely serviceable. Stafford might be a legit starter but is in the twilight of his career. Tua Tagovailoa has suffered too many concussions.

Wilson, Winston, Carr, Williams, Cousins, Levis, Jones, Lawrence, Minshew, Flacco, Young, Murray, Smith, Richardson, Mayfield to name a few... some of these guys are okay, and some of them are barely even serviceable.

Anyway, my point is that it's more difficult than one thinks to find a legit starter that one can build a team around. DAL is a good/bad example... they've tried building around Prescott and haven't gotten anywhere.