Grubb didn't put anything in motion

[Donn Beach]

I don't know why he didn't use motion more either, and nobody is arguing that the Oline didn't have issues, but does that let Grubb off the hook for not trying to compensate for the line? He was forced to run shotgun so often because of his Oline? I don't see that being supported

Rob Stanton

When you bring up the struggling run game, most people point to the O-line — which is fair enough. It was bad again against Arizona. It’s been bad all year. It needs major work.

Every single lineman received a bad run-blocking grade per PFF:

Olu Oluwatimi — 58.8
Christian Haynes — 58.2
Abe Lucas — 50.3
Charles Cross — 49.8
Laken Tomlinson — 40.1

However, this isn’t a problem exclusive to the Seahawks. A lot of teams have issues blocking. A lot of those teams still find ways to run the ball a lot more effectively than the Seahawks.

This tweet from Brock Huard was scathing in the review of Ryan Grubb’s inability to work out solutions to be able to find any semblance of running effectiveness — especially against a team in Arizona giving up 121.8 rushing yards per game (the Seahawks managed just 65 yards):

BrockHuard

For a former OL Coach I’ve been really surprised at Ryan Grubb’s inability to adjust & call plays that protect that group. No boots, no movement of the pocket, minimal play action, very little creativity in the run game.

Make the OL job’s easier. That’s duty 1 of an NFL OC
5:59 AM · Nov 25, 2024

When I’ve discussed Grubb recently there’s been a lot of sympathetic replies in the direction of Seattle’s OC. Again, the O-line is a huge problem. We can all see that. Yet as Huard notes above, why are they so incapable of working around this to produce any kind of ground success?

[Michael K.]

Every single lineman received a bad run-blocking grade per PFF:

Olu Oluwatimi — 58.8
Christian Haynes — 58.2
Abe Lucas — 50.3
Charles Cross — 49.8
Laken Tomlinson — 40.1

Only someone in Seattle sees that and says "Fucking OC sucks". Jesus H. Christ. I've been drug into this yet again, and I'm out.

Grubb wasn't amazing, but the O Line has been DOGSHIT the entirety of Schneider's time here. And he gets yet another pass. The dude has ZERO clue how to build an O Line, but he is real good at scapegoating everyone else for it. I am sure the above numbers would have all been fantastic if we'd just called a few more boot legs. My fucking God.

I hope you are right. I hope that all it took was our sixth or seventh OC to cure a problem that has been around for over a decade.

[Donn Beach]

With as shitty an Oline as they have it wasn't a smart move hiring a college coach as OC, that's always been the issue with me, and that's on JS. Grubb is now happily back at college. Until they can JS it's who we got to work with. Kubiak makes more sense to me

[Donn Beach]

Or given Grubb a veteran Oline coach to help. MM has that guy, Leslie Frazier. Frazier was hired to help MM get oriented to being a NFL HC. What did they do for Grubb, another guy from college. And during the season, who gets the help. MM gets Jones to fix his linebacker issues, what does Grubb get. If you go with Grubb you have to be willing to develop him. That a college oc without any real support or an Oline was going to go to the NFL, kick ass and take names? I don't think it's about blaming Grubb, it didn't make sense.

And in terms of JS, I've pointed out, he's really rolled the dice bringing in Krupp and Darnold. They won 10 games last season. But if you think about it, that last win was a gimme they barely handled. That's a high bar to live up to. This thing really has the makings of a disappointing season in some respects. The division is going to be tough, if they only manage say eight wins is JS's job in jeopardy? I think it would be.
You said you're not interested in what Pete does, I think it could be interesting. What if him and Geno win more games than the Seahawks, how would that make JS look. I can't see that happening, not with what they are up against in that division

[Donn Beach]

So I checked, I'm surprised. The 4 win Raiders and the 10 win Seahawks are even this season, both at 7.5 over under. So Vegas thinks Pete turns the Raiders around and the Seahawks regress. If that happens does the JS seat get warm?

[trharder]

So I checked, I'm surprised. The 4 win Raiders and the 10 win Seahawks are even this season, both at 7.5 over under. So Vegas thinks Pete turns the Raiders around and the Seahawks regress. If that happens does the JS seat get warm?

It better.

[Donn Beach]

another shot at Grubb

The Seattle Seahawks struggled to protect their starting quarterback last season. Starter Geno Smith was sacked on 54 occasions. That was tied for third-most in the league, with only the Chicago Bears (68) and Cleveland Browns (66) allowing more sacks. The Houston Texans matched the Seahawks at third-worst (54).

Seattle's struggles to protect Smith would seemingly indicate the offensive line required extra help on dropback attempts. It was up to offensive coordinator Ryan Grubb to create those scenarios. Grubb should've technically been leaving extra blockers at the line of scrimmage (such as a blocking tight end?) on Smith's passing attempts.

That did not happen. Tru Media Sports recently released each team's percentage of passing plays in 2024 that were five-man protections, meaning no extra blockers. The Seahawks confusingly placed ninth, with 74.18% of their passing plays occurring with five-man empty protections. No wonder Smith was under constant duress.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/article/st ... 35458.html

[Michael K.]

Jesus Christ. GM builds a dogshit O Line, so we should have sent two receivers out on route to help the, out.

Again, what the actual fuck.

Bates, Bevell, Schotty, Waldron, Grubb….and shit, I might be missing on. They’ve all worked with what Schneider gave them, they all had below average to shitty O Lines, they all lost their job. PC has come and gone. The only fuckinf common is JS, and not one ounce of blame assigned. Fuckinf mind dumbing.

First year play caller comes here, known for spreading the field and slinging the ball….does just that, somehow they won ten games. But the reason they didn’t make the playoffs was the OC.

Minnesota scores in three plays late in the fourth to retake the lead. The Rams score in three plays late to win the game. Buffalo scores every time they touch the ball.

The defense struggles early? John goes out and adds a veteran MLB. The offense can’t block anyone? Zero effort made to improve, just fire another OC. Unbelievable.

I could me misquoting, but the other day Brock said of the $250 million dollar payroll? Less than $95 million is on offense. Expect more of the same. THIS is why bright young offensive minds don’t become OCs for Defensive minded coaches.

[Donn Beach]

AI answer, it's not that lopsided

Specifically, the defense is projected to account for $109,750,512 of the team's total cap liabilities, while the offense is allocated $99,868,569, according to Over the Cap

[Michael K.]

AI answer, it's not that lopsided

Specifically, the defense is projected to account for $109,750,512 of the team's total cap liabilities, while the offense is allocated $99,868,569, according to Over the Cap

Yeah, Brock did say numbers can be manipulated, but his figures were "cap hit" for the up coming year.

In the NFL, 11 out of 32 teams spend more on their defense than their offense in terms of salary cap. This means a little over 34% of teams allocate more resources to their defensive players.
Here's a breakdown:
11 Teams: Spend more on defense.
18 Teams: Spend more on offense.

Some interesting find when I tried to find a list of who spends more on defense, depends on the verbiage I enter, but I'm not sure you will like the offenses of the teams listed.

Pittsburgh
Tennessee
Jets
Patriots

Yuck. Then their is Green Bay. That surprised me...didn't they have to pay Love?
The only team I found that I even remotely liked the offense of, besides Green Bay, was Washington. Duh....rookie QB.

But all the other teams are mediocre offensively, and every one of them have a defensive minded coach. There also aren't very many playoff wins in there!

The game has changed, and I said it when we fired Pete. I like the thought of an offensive minded coach because those guys tend to find great DCs. The Defensive minded coaches? Not so much. I don't think that is a coincidence. Grubb got fired in one season, for doing exactly what he has always done.

And I still find it hilarious that the defense struggled and got a make over, and the offense was left with third string Interior Lineman. It is what it is, and maybe the latest shift to a run game will benefit the Hawks. But I think we lose games this year because we are back to the old three and out is a win days, since it's not a turnover. Throwing it away on third down is a win. Third and seven after two dive plays is a win. I hope I am wrong, but I was excited that MM went outside the box and hired a young offensive mind that was different. He got one hole season...and was canned because he couldn't win more than ten games with a dogshit O Line. So? We hired a boring old "name". The guy had a dad that coached, so he must be fantastic. That must be why he was available right?

Again, all we hear is not THIS is the style that will fit our players. Our players were fine, the system was bad. Been hearing that since second and goal.