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Re: PCJS marriage

Post by Donn Beach » Sun Apr 12, 2020 11:13 am

speaking of Sean Payton...see what he did on twitter the other day

he takes a shot at the Falcons new uni's...
Impressive

— Sean Payton (@SeanPayton) April 9, 2020
That "Impressive" is loaded with sarcasm.
so a falcons fan tries to get a dig in about his saying he watched netfixs for three days after their playoff loss
Get back in your bag and provide us some show reviews. pic.twitter.com/HQHRtF8SDv

— Shaka in ATLANTA (@thegifgoat) April 9, 2020
so Payton comes back with this...
2 musts...Oceans
8 and definitely
Tiger King
One other that is
3rd would be HBOs
Houston we have a problem.

— Sean Payton (@SeanPayton) April 9, 2020
Sean Payton killed a man pic.twitter.com/2HABVVqs9O

— LB (@NewEraLB) April 10, 2020

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Re: PCJS marriage

Post by Oso Dorado » Sun Apr 12, 2020 12:45 pm

So, how do we know that's not just any rock they dragged off the beach. Sure, tourists want to see it so we'll give them a rock. Did Miles Standish sign the rock or anything?

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Re: PCJS marriage

Post by D-train » Sun Apr 12, 2020 12:57 pm

Oso Dorado wrote:
Sun Apr 12, 2020 12:45 pm
So, how do we know that's not just any rock they dragged off the beach. Sure, tourists want to see it so we'll give them a rock. Did Miles Standish sign the rock or anything?
I did a DNA test on the Rock and it matched the DNA from my authentic William Bradford hat so there you have it.........
dt

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Re: PCJS marriage

Post by Hanjag » Sun Apr 12, 2020 6:37 pm

ThePro wrote:
Sat Apr 11, 2020 3:05 am
Good it will be appropriate when they both get shit canned for messing up this offseason.
I don't 100% agree with you or 100% disagree with you.

When Clowney went into the offseason he is on record as wanting to be the highest paid non-QB in the league. Frank Clark signed a 5 year 105.5 with 63.5 guaranteed. the average is 21.1 M. They have brought him down from 5/110 or more maybe with 70 guaranteed to 17-18 for a 1 year. NOw just like they did with Russ when they brought in Brown they can move the money around from salary to bonus and spread it over the remainder. You see the logic in their approach. You never know when the next Brown, Clowney, Dunbar type of opportunity might present itself. ( No let's not think about Percy) :D

NOw, at this point, I am 100% with you on just f-it and sign him to a 17 Million dollar 1 year and come back to this again next year with more cap dollars and maybe we get a comp pick or resign our stud Edge. The difference between the 13.5 they have on the table and 17 is a pretty small price to pay. There is plenty of fat to cut on this team even after KJ and Britt.

Even some of the moves I like were a bit of an overpay Adding Olsen according to sporttrack he is worth 5.3M but because he was a no free agent we bid 6.9 a slight overpay but not unforgivable.

Q Dunbar was a really good player to pick up for a 5th at a position of need.

Reed was needed he team with Ford as a solid DT team

Luke Wilson a 4th TE ( I don't have salary info but should be minimal) I am luke warm here.

Phil Dorsett WR a decent 4.3 40 speedster for 3rd 4th 5th on depth chart1 M

center Hunt, D end Jackson, and WR Moore were resigned for 2.1 million and I don't think Hunt is worth it I am 50/50 on Jackson and Moore.

Simmons Guard resigned for $?
Irvin and (Mayowa 3 million 2.5 dead cap if cut) I don't know what Irvin's contract is. The position is in deep need. Given my wish to now get Clowney signed and add an edge with one of the top 4 picks I would project a much-improved defense over last year. ( If I had 1 wish other than the draft turning out like one of the better simulated ones/ and of course Clowney)

LJ Collier must improve dramatically. NOt a star but at least show that he can contribute as part of the rotation. He has 8 million of dead cap hit. So if he can even be what Rasheem Green was last year that would be a good sign to say the least.

I think you and Mike are primarily are up in arms over the less than impressive O-line additions. Am I right or completely off base?

Let's look:
BJ Finney C/G 2 Year 7M 4.5 dead cap.

( Alternate cutting Fluker insurance) Britt=8.5 in freed up cap and Fluker is 3.6M with 500k dead cap.

Another poster pointed out that BJ was very good at pass blocking I don't know which metric but I was pleased because of Russel and premium targets at the skill positions.

Brandon Shell T 2Year 11M 5.1 dead cap
[I looked to PFF grades and he looks like a 10 point upgrade compared to Ifedi. I did not think Ifedi was good.]
( you countered with contrary data) I wish you would provide links. { draft ranks I have seen players rank 60 spots apart but I would like to explore what you look at.)

Cedric Ogbuehi T former 1st Rd #21// 2.2 M 500K dead cap
Last year he was a backup but a decent pff grade of 67 vs largely 50's which again is Ifedi. I think you have a 500K cap hit for a lottery pick at late development.

Chance Warmack 1st Rd # 10 ( 7 snaps last 2 years)
He looked like a potential all-pro at guard 1st 3 years 2 70's and an 80's PFF
910K no dead cap

There are moves I like (Dunbar) moves I am neutral on (WR Moore), and moves I am against (Hunt).

But the whole shit-canned thing is nonsense.

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Re: PCJS marriage

Post by Donn Beach » Sun Apr 12, 2020 7:38 pm

seems a bit early for canning them for screwing up the off season when said off season isn't over yet. For me this is indicative of modern culture, the rush to define and rate things. Its fueled by the media with their need to try and feed us content. Rating off seasons before the draft is even held, i mean come on. I don't have a problem with JS's moves so far, i think the Oline will be okay, the secondary is strengthened, but the Dline hasn't been fully addressed. Why is it necessary to judge the thing one way or the other, particularly with a GM like JS that doesn't shoot his wad early

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Post by Michael K. » Sun Apr 12, 2020 10:25 pm

Good post Hanjag...I hope you are right about Finney being good in pass pro. Most what I have read have these four like just about everyone else we have signed. Road grading run blockers either unproven or below average in pass pro.

If these are the lineman we want, I just wish we'd scrap the pistol set with the half assed read option, sign a FB and actually go Power Run instead of talk the game and then line up in shotgun 95% of the time.

Commit, for shits sake...we all know they arent going to turn the game over to Russ until down three scores, so go all in. Get a fucking FB and play smash mouth. Then, maybe, our offense wont COLLAPSE when Carson and Penny are out, which is likely. Christ, they are NFL RBs, they are gonna miss time.

Or, Pete could realize our playmakers are in the passing game. Too bad it's too late because we signed four turnstiles up front.

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Re: PCJS marriage

Post by ThePro » Sun Apr 12, 2020 11:57 pm

Explore what I look at? Snell have up seven sacks to Ifedi's 6 in less games (300 less snaps) and was benched because he is a piece of shit. There's nothing to explore. But to you that equates a 10 point upgrade. :roll:

I do like Finney. Warmack is a joke and do is that other dude.

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Re: PCJS marriage

Post by Donn Beach » Mon Apr 13, 2020 5:53 am

see which Shell they get, the 2018 or the 2019 version...
He was perceived to be a player on the rise in 2018 when he started 14 games at right tackle for the Jets, earning plaudits from Pro Football Focus for allowing the second-lowest pressure rate in one four-game span of any right tackle.

But he suffered a knee injury late in the year that required surgery and then struggled to regain the same form in 2019 when he was briefly benched and ultimately started 11 games, allowing seven sacks, tied for ninth among all tackles, according to Pro Football Focus.
Art Shell watched practice from his car...
Reedy, a longtime college coach (he was the head coach of the Baylor team that lost to Washington State in the 1994 Alamo Bowl) recalled in a recent phone interview that on the first day of practice that year “I saw a guy parked at the end of our practice field. We had a fence and he was parked outside. I didn’t know who it was so I walked down there and it was Art and he was just sitting in his car watching practice. And he just never did get out.’’
he was bullied as a kid...
“I don’t want to sound arrogant or cocky, but look at me now,’’ Shell said. “I took all the bullying you all threw at me and all the criticism and everything you threw at me, but I made it to where I wanted to go in life. It all made me stronger along the way.”

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Re: PCJS marriage

Post by Goms » Mon Apr 13, 2020 1:26 pm

D-train wrote:
Sat Apr 11, 2020 5:28 pm
Goms wrote:
Sat Apr 11, 2020 12:04 pm
Yes i agreee can't wait to get back to those 4 and 12 years or better yet the 3 and 13 ones give me a break and enjoy the damn ride these guys just might have another championship in them, maybe not but its a lot more enjoyable now then in the past!!!!
From 2003-07 we won 51 games and were a horridly officiated game from winning the SB. Following that run we did have one 4-12 season. Prior to that it was FORTY years ago that we had our other 4-12 season. We have literally NEVER had a 3-13 season. We also averaged 10 wins a season from 1983-87.

So let's not pretend averaging 10 wins a season like we have the past five years while winning 3 playoff games vs. incredibly weak opponents is unprecedented and can never ever be replicated again once PC/JS are gone.
Ok then another 5-11 or 6-10 season sorry im not into past football seasons like when i was young doesn't matter what im saying is before Pete we has a year of two under Holmgrum or Ground Chuck but for the most part this was a loosing team i know i have been a fan since the start.

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Re: PCJS marriage

Post by Goms » Mon Apr 13, 2020 1:27 pm

Michael K. wrote:
Sat Apr 11, 2020 4:10 pm
Goms wrote:
Sat Apr 11, 2020 12:04 pm
Yes i agreee can't wait to get back to those 4 and 12 years or better yet the 3 and 13 ones give me a break and enjoy the damn ride these guys just might have another championship in them, maybe not but its a lot more enjoyable now then in the past!!!!
That may happen with our without Pete and John. Which is the damn point. Maximize what we have right now, which is a guy probably behind only Pat Mahomes in the NFL. Do you read about Mahomes, Lamar Jackson, Or Deshaun Watson begging guys to come sign or asking the organization to bring in Stars?

This run will be over when Russ leaves. And if anyone things squeezing into the Wildcard round and spending the first half of playoff games curled into a ball taking body blows is what he wants? Your fooling yourself. We keep this up and has demands for his next contract will be astronomical!

I was all in a couple of years ago after they missed the playoffs and decided to cut the fat. That was a great move, and making the playoffs the next season was a crazy accomplishment. But, this? The only player we added that is arguably better than what we had before is an injury prone Corner Back! Every team in our division has gone to the Conference Championship game more recently than us. You don’t break that trend by swapping junk for junk.

Everyone tells us we can’t draft studs because we draft too late. Those same guys are telling us we can’t judge this off season yet because the draft is yet to come! What is it? Can we not get studs in the drafts due to our lose draft spot, or not?

In January we lost a playoff game. All that was talked about was how we would take our large amount of cap space and improve

1. O Line. We have not. I guess we can all rely on our vast expertise of drafting stud O Lineman
2. D Line. The guy who many say is the best D Lineman available was on our bad defense last year and is still unsigned so we could sign two guys who would be great as our 3rd and 4th options. I guess we can rely on our vast expertise of drafting stud D Lineman.
3. We’d give Russ weapons. We added an older TE who, IMO, will help...but I wouldn’t call a weapon, and a track guy that has really never shown much more than speed. We couldn’t figure out how to use Percy Harvin, how will this be different?

How are we not right now worse than we were going into the Green Bay game? Add four scrub O Lineman to replace a guy that never missed a start and lose the best pass rusher on a bad defense? We are pretty much saying we believe Carson is going to come back fully healthy and never miss a start and the guys that couldn’t get it done on defense last year all of a sudden will.

No one is saying they want us to go 3 and 13. But, while we have one of the best QBs in the game, I’d like to stop hearing the excuse of how we were almost there...if we would have just not had to play playoff games on the road, if if if. The IF we should be talking about is what if we surrounded Russ with weapons and played a game that suited our strengths?

DT posted an interesting article about Don Shula completely changing his entire offensive philosophy around a QB. This was back in the 80s when slinging it all over the field wasn’t the in thing to do. Two years ago I was all for the ground and pound. But, for two straight year’s I’ve also watched what it does. You can’t keep RBs and O Lineman healthy, and by the end of the year we are pulling guys out of retirement, or playing a team in the playoffs designed to stop your run game....and we refuse to adapt.

All you people saying to watch what you wish for? Watch what happens if this team, coached this way making off season decisions this way....doesn’t have Russ!

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