Pocic is currently the starting center

[Michael K.]

We don't know who is running with the "1s" now....

It was reported that Pocic was, so that is really all we know. I was commenting on Jake Heeps saying that playing the guy that is really going to be the backup with the 1s is a very "Pete thing" to do. Not necesarily saying that is what is happening, and neither is Jake. BUT, the fact that something very odd like that, with very little upside, is something normal speaks volumes. Especially now with the very limited amount of time the have to prep for games

[ThePro]

We don't know who is running with the "1s" now....

It was reported that Pocic was, so that is really all we know. I was commenting on Jake Heeps saying that playing the guy that is really going to be the backup with the 1s is a very "Pete thing" to do. Not necesarily saying that is what is happening, and neither is Jake. BUT, the fact that something very odd like that, with very little upside, is something normal speaks volumes. Especially now with the very limited amount of time the have to prep for games

Hawks have asked reporters to stop giving updates or showing footage since then. We don't know who's starting now.

[Michael K.]

We don't know who is running with the "1s" now....

It was reported that Pocic was, so that is really all we know. I was commenting on Jake Heeps saying that playing the guy that is really going to be the backup with the 1s is a very "Pete thing" to do. Not necesarily saying that is what is happening, and neither is Jake. BUT, the fact that something very odd like that, with very little upside, is something normal speaks volumes. Especially now with the very limited amount of time the have to prep for games

Hawks have asked reporters to stop giving updates or showing footage since then. We don't know who's starting now.

I get that. As I said, not what I was really commenting on. They had the closest thing to a Pre Season game they were going to have in their latest scrimmage. Pocic was with the first team unit. So, you think that because he might have run with the 1s today that changes everything? The only thing it was change is Pocic is a back up, just like everyone thought.

My point is the fact that one guy paid to cover the team said playing a second unit guy with the first unit is a "Pete thing to do" blows me away. And, if Pocic is now the best option we have I am really annoyed that we paid what we paid for another backup. Not much that has happened on this O Line, besides going and getting Duane Brown, has worked for some time. But, playing the guy who will probably be the backup for a few practices and in the first live action they had was a "Pete thing to do". WTF does that even mean?

[Bil522]

From Brady Henderson of ESPN:

" Offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer recently had a lukewarm assessment of how center B.J. Finney has picked up their system."

[Donn Beach]

article from back when they signed Finney, remember this from it talking about arm length. Anyway, the guy claims the contract, even though its for $8mil looks like a contract the Hawks give to depth pieces.

Given that the salary cap increased 27.65% from 2016 until 2020, Webb’s contract adjusted upwards for that increased cap would be for two years, $7,658,917. That isn’t quite the $8M seen in Finney’s contract, however, it doesn’t take into account the cap squeezing effect that leads to players on second contracts see their salaries increase faster than players on minimum salary contracts as cap growth has outpaced salary growth. In short, the two contracts are nearly identical in terms of the percentage of the disposable cap space relative to the year in which they were signed. Basically, if Webb was signed as depth, Finney’s contract indicates he was signed as depth as well.

Moving on from there, the Seahawks have patterns to the way their contracts are structured. Looking at the free agent offensive linemen who have signed contracts to come in and start for Seattle in recent years, the majority of them have per game roster bonuses. These include the contracts given to Iupati, Fluker, Sweezy, Luke Joeckel and Brandon Shell. Even the second contracts the team has given to starting offensive linemen, including Justin Britt, Duane Brown, Iupati and Fluker carry per game roster bonuses.

In contrast, Finney’s contract has no per game roster bonuses for 2020.

https://www.fieldgulls.com/2020/4/15/21 ... itt-iupati

[auroraave]

From Brady Henderson of ESPN:

" Offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer recently had a lukewarm assessment of how center B.J. Finney has picked up their system."

In an effort to improve the oline - Seattle went and signed as many FA's as possible. That does not mean every one will work out - it's statistically impossible. What should be talked about, is how they will try everything to improve each and every position group. Lamenting the misses while ignoring the unrelenting efforts to improve the team is foolish. Seattle just rebuilt the back end of the defense into the best in the league. If Finney doesn't make the team - that's on him. Can't fault JS for trying. Many of his deals have been brilliant, but not all will be. What makes this so great is we have gone from having no centers to having multiple. Finney not making the team isn't a bust - it means other, better options emerged - as always happens in camp - but JS was hedging his bets with depth. It's not Madden and he doesn't have the luxury of hindsite. The reality is every transaction has risk. At least this front office will take risks - many of which pan out. Sure beats having a front office that only ever plays it safe. Taking those risks is a major reason why they make the playoffs 80% of the time.

[ThePro]

From Brady Henderson of ESPN:

" Offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer recently had a lukewarm assessment of how center B.J. Finney has picked up their system."

In an effort to improve the oline - Seattle went and signed as many FA's as possible. That does not mean every one will work out - it's statistically impossible. What should be talked about, is how they will try everything to improve each and every position group. Lamenting the misses while ignoring the unrelenting efforts to improve the team is foolish. Seattle just rebuilt the back end of the defense into the best in the league. If Finney doesn't make the team - that's on him. Can't fault JS for trying. Many of his deals have been brilliant, but not all will be. What makes this so great is we have gone from having no centers to having multiple. Finney not making the team isn't a bust - it means other, better options emerged - as always happens in camp - but JS was hedging his bets with depth. It's not Madden and he doesn't have the luxury of hindsite. The reality is every transaction has risk. At least this front office will take risks - many of which pan out. Sure beats having a front office that only ever plays it safe. Taking those risks is a major reason why they make the playoffs 80% of the time.

That's resources that could have been risked elsewhere. Bad move signing Finney to a contract that size with uncertainty. There's no defending that bullshit.

[Michael K.]

article from back when they signed Finney, remember this from it talking about arm length. Anyway, the guy claims the contract, even though its for $8mil looks like a contract the Hawks give to depth pieces.

Given that the salary cap increased 27.65% from 2016 until 2020, Webb’s contract adjusted upwards for that increased cap would be for two years, $7,658,917. That isn’t quite the $8M seen in Finney’s contract, however, it doesn’t take into account the cap squeezing effect that leads to players on second contracts see their salaries increase faster than players on minimum salary contracts as cap growth has outpaced salary growth. In short, the two contracts are nearly identical in terms of the percentage of the disposable cap space relative to the year in which they were signed. Basically, if Webb was signed as depth, Finney’s contract indicates he was signed as depth as well.

Moving on from there, the Seahawks have patterns to the way their contracts are structured. Looking at the free agent offensive linemen who have signed contracts to come in and start for Seattle in recent years, the majority of them have per game roster bonuses. These include the contracts given to Iupati, Fluker, Sweezy, Luke Joeckel and Brandon Shell. Even the second contracts the team has given to starting offensive linemen, including Justin Britt, Duane Brown, Iupati and Fluker carry per game roster bonuses.

In contrast, Finney’s contract has no per game roster bonuses for 2020.

https://www.fieldgulls.com/2020/4/15/21 ... itt-iupati

Sounds exactly like what I have been complaining about. We signed a bunch of depth guys, just a bunch of guys, instead of adding a stud. I’d rather have Conklin and Badass along with Lewis then Lewis and all the scrubs we paid. No way we paid $8 million for a guy we thought couldn’t beat out the guy that couldn’t beat out Joey Hunt!

[auroraave]

article from back when they signed Finney, remember this from it talking about arm length. Anyway, the guy claims the contract, even though its for $8mil looks like a contract the Hawks give to depth pieces.

Given that the salary cap increased 27.65% from 2016 until 2020, Webb’s contract adjusted upwards for that increased cap would be for two years, $7,658,917. That isn’t quite the $8M seen in Finney’s contract, however, it doesn’t take into account the cap squeezing effect that leads to players on second contracts see their salaries increase faster than players on minimum salary contracts as cap growth has outpaced salary growth. In short, the two contracts are nearly identical in terms of the percentage of the disposable cap space relative to the year in which they were signed. Basically, if Webb was signed as depth, Finney’s contract indicates he was signed as depth as well.

Moving on from there, the Seahawks have patterns to the way their contracts are structured. Looking at the free agent offensive linemen who have signed contracts to come in and start for Seattle in recent years, the majority of them have per game roster bonuses. These include the contracts given to Iupati, Fluker, Sweezy, Luke Joeckel and Brandon Shell. Even the second contracts the team has given to starting offensive linemen, including Justin Britt, Duane Brown, Iupati and Fluker carry per game roster bonuses.

In contrast, Finney’s contract has no per game roster bonuses for 2020.

https://www.fieldgulls.com/2020/4/15/21 ... itt-iupati

Sounds exactly like what I have been complaining about. We signed a bunch of depth guys, just a bunch of guys, instead of adding a stud. I’d rather have Conklin and Badass along with Lewis then Lewis and all the scrubs we paid. No way we paid $8 million for a guy we thought couldn’t beat out the guy that couldn’t beat out Joey Hunt!

Dude - all you do is complain. Every move Seattle makes is the Hindenburg crashing and burning to you. Have you ever had anything positive to say - I mean like, ever?

[Donn Beach]

they seem high on Brandon Shell

"It might be my favorite acquisition because he looks so much the part," Carroll said. "He's a big kid, has good body control – there hasn't been a thing about him that hasn't looked good. His consistency and his technique is really a joy to see. I think he's going to be really good. He can get downfield. He can get off the edge and block. He's stout in pass protection so far."

Shell is listed at 6-foot-5 and 324 pounds, so he's certainly imposing from that standpoint.

"He's physical enough to be dominant," Carroll said. "I'm really fired up about that."