Game 10: Seattle Seahawks v L.A. Mutton Chops

[Gametime]

Leading the league in turnovers is unacceptable. Period

[Michael K.]

Leading the league in turnovers is unacceptable. Period

Sure it is, as is four in one game. My question is, why is it all on the QB now? This is a MUCH better O Line than what we had, and all we heard all off season was addition by subtraction removing the OC. There is NO argument that what Kubiak has done here has worked, but is it more about not having Geno and a dogshit O line? Not having DK as a distraction? Look again at that O Line breakdown I posted, those snap percentages and the names next to them, compared to this season?

I just find it incredibly hypocritical that Grubb was public enemy #1, but now when we struggle it's all on the players.

For the record? I don't blame either OCs. I sure as shit didn't blame Grubb for trying to win NFL games, and winning ten mind you, with that horseshit O Line. But I also don't blame Kubiak for Darnold getting happy feet three times and for Arroyo running a piss poor route for a fourth pick. I'm just curious where all the guys that thought Grubb was the Devil are. Wonder how much Stink will blame him today when he talks to Wyman and Bob? It's not always the play calling. Sometimes the players have to win matchups.

Again, several in here that posted over and over again how all Grubb had to do was call run plays and we go to the playoffs. I call bullshit. All Grubb needed was a decent QB and a better O Line. Kubiak has both of those things. Which means? I have to eat crow on Schneider. He built a pretty damn good O Line, when healthy. Injuries are pilling up though.

[Donn Beach]

Grubb needed to quit running shotgun 90% of the snaps but he couldn't quit

[Michael K.]

Grubb needed to quit running shotgun 90% of the snaps but he couldn't quit

Valid, but I think between Geno having his own issues and the line being dogshit? Grubb reverted to what he knew. That was getting the QB off the LOS and allowing him some time to process. That still isn't the point. All the pitchforks that were out for Grubb last year have now reverted to the QB and the Interior O Line. The QB and Interior O Line are LIGHT YEARS better than last year.

[Sibelius Hindemith]

Zabel has been an upgrade at LG but how is the rest of the interior any better? Sundell is a better pass blocker than Olu but a worse run blocker and Bradford is the same worthless piece of crap at RG. And Darnold is the same turnover machine he's been all his career but is an upgrade on Geno because he understands defenses better and doesn't telegraph throws. Not a huge difference overall.

[Michael K.]

Zabel has been an upgrade at LG but how is the rest of the interior any better? Sundell is a better pass blocker than Olu but a worse run blocker and Bradford is the same worthless piece of crap at RG. And Darnold is the same turnover machine he's been all his career but is an upgrade on Geno because he understands defenses better and doesn't telegraph throws. Not a huge difference overall.

Did you read the names? Jesus dude.

[Donn Beach]

Grubb needed to quit running shotgun 90% of the snaps but he couldn't quit

Valid, but I think between Geno having his own issues and the line being dogshit? Grubb reverted to what he knew. That was getting the QB off the LOS and allowing him some time to process. That still isn't the point. All the pitchforks that were out for Grubb last year have now reverted to the QB and the Interior O Line. The QB and Interior O Line are LIGHT YEARS better than last year.

Grubbs offensive line might not have been very good but
it didn't need to be as bad as it was. Grubb struggled with play progression in a way that would help mitigate their issues. A line that last year struggled kubiak now has hitting above their weight. To me the differences are clear. Go back to Mark Schlereths comments. “Show me a team that gives up seven sacks and I’ll show you a team that has a coordinator that doesn’t understand what the problems are up front.” Kubiak has a better grasp of the relationship between play calling was offensive line performance.

This is the point I was trying to make before. Compare this team to Pete's last season. Every aspect of it is performing at a higher level, offense, defense, special teams? I think its been a remarkable turnaround. And I don't believe it was because of wholesale personell changes. The difference has been coaching, from the HC on down. That's really the difference between Pete's and MM teams, the coaching. And who gets credit for that, JS. I don't think JS generally had an issue with the personnel under Pete, that was a JS team along with Pete. The issue was how it got coached. It seems to me JS had a better grasp of the coaching side than Pete did.

That being said, I think MM and Kubiak got out coached yesterday. The poor qb play is a shared responsibility between them and darnold. I think MM admitted to it in his presser. Talking about struggling with their adjustments. That they are a young team with a coach in his second season. It's going to happen, I think right there is reason not to be concerned about MM. He's the first to admit he is still learning.

[Donn Beach]

Zabel has been an upgrade at LG but how is the rest of the interior any better? Sundell is a better pass blocker than Olu but a worse run blocker and Bradford is the same worthless piece of crap at RG. And Darnold is the same turnover machine he's been all his career but is an upgrade on Geno because he understands defenses better and doesn't telegraph throws. Not a huge difference overall.

Zabel for as great a rookie he might be might not really be that great an improvement. He's graded lower than Bradford as a run blocker. The biggest improvement could be getting Lucas healthy. That seems kinda overlooked. The real nightmare last season was probably depth as much as anything. Having to start a rookie that hadn't played above division II college football, That was crazy

[Donn Beach]

The Rams looked to force Seattle to run, and two of Darnold’s interceptions were thrown into double coverage. That’ll continue to be an issue against opposing defenses until Seattle — specifically Darnold — learns to fix it

That, again, it reminds me of the RW situation. I think Kubiak deserves some responsibility as Grubb deserved some for his offensive line giving up seven sacks. But I don't know, is it entirely on darnold to deal with adjustments to the defense? In any event, I don't think it was about big game pressure as much as being pressured by a good defense. The success is going to be noticed and copied by teams going forward

[Sibelius Hindemith]

Yes, i think Kubiak was out-gameplanned by the Rams' DC and perhaps outcoached although the Seahawks gained ov3r 400 yards.