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That has to be why Waldren wants to run all those dive plays.Sibelius Hindemith wrote: ↑Sat Nov 11, 2023 5:39 pmOther than Bradford (69.2), all the Seahawks guards and centers have PFF run-blocking grades in the 50s. Given Carroll's stated offensive philosophy and the types of plays drawn up (ostensibly) by Waldren, that is an utter failure to address a critical aspect of building the roster.
or maybe that's why the grades suck? Because they keep running the same predictable play, so the defense knows what's coming and the O-line looks bad?Michael K. wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 5:49 pmThat has to be why Waldren wants to run all those dive plays.Sibelius Hindemith wrote: ↑Sat Nov 11, 2023 5:39 pmOther than Bradford (69.2), all the Seahawks guards and centers have PFF run-blocking grades in the 50s. Given Carroll's stated offensive philosophy and the types of plays drawn up (ostensibly) by Waldren, that is an utter failure to address a critical aspect of building the roster.
SeattleAddict wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 12:26 amor maybe that's why the grades suck? Because they keep running the same predictable play, so the defense knows what's coming and the O-line looks bad?Michael K. wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 5:49 pmThat has to be why Waldren wants to run all those dive plays.Sibelius Hindemith wrote: ↑Sat Nov 11, 2023 5:39 pmOther than Bradford (69.2), all the Seahawks guards and centers have PFF run-blocking grades in the 50s. Given Carroll's stated offensive philosophy and the types of plays drawn up (ostensibly) by Waldren, that is an utter failure to address a critical aspect of building the roster.
But mostly I'll stick with my opinion that PFF is a joke, especially for blocking grades. They have no idea what the blocking assignments are, so only give positive grades if there's a pancake, and negative if the defender makes the tackle.
and if the O lineman effectively blocks the guy he is trying to block he gets a positive grade and if he doesn't he gets a negative grade??? 
No that can't possibly be it. Your assumption is FAR more likely. 
Could there be times that an O Lineman has an assignment that the PFF grader doesn't understand? Of course. But to believe that there is no way that an O Lineman can be graded because there might be four or five times a game his assignment is mistaken is silly. And I'd imagine four or five times is too high.D-train wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 11:08 am
Or MAYBE the grader assumes that the guy the O lineman is trying to block IS HIS ASSIGNMENT
my point is simply that if you don't know the blocking assignment, then if a guy is blocking defender A, but is SUPPOSED to be blocking defender B, then defender B gets a sack or TFL, which gets blamed on... whoever is closest. But it might not be that guy's fault. This was the issue often in the early games where we had injuries and a revolving door on the O-Line. The zone blocking scheme requires everybody to be on the same page, and it gets complicated with the d-line stunts and whatnot.D-train wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 11:08 amSeattleAddict wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 12:26 amor maybe that's why the grades suck? Because they keep running the same predictable play, so the defense knows what's coming and the O-line looks bad?Michael K. wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 5:49 pm
That has to be why Waldren wants to run all those dive plays.
But mostly I'll stick with my opinion that PFF is a joke, especially for blocking grades. They have no idea what the blocking assignments are, so only give positive grades if there's a pancake, and negative if the defender makes the tackle.
Or MAYBE the grader assumes that the guy the O lineman is trying to block IS HIS ASSIGNMENT
Ok I got you. In that case if a guy makes a mental error and the QB is sacked by the guy he should have been blocking who gets to the QB untouched then it would be like a Sun ball in baseball and nobody would get a negative grade. As long as a guy is blocking Somebody that is what his grade would be based on. If he is just standing there dumbfounded not blocking anyone and it is obvious it was him that missed the block then he would probably get a negative grade.SeattleAddict wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 10:00 pmmy point is simply that if you don't know the blocking assignment, then if a guy is blocking defender A, but is SUPPOSED to be blocking defender B, then defender B gets a sack or TFL, which gets blamed on... whoever is closest. But it might not be that guy's fault. This was the issue often in the early games where we had injuries and a revolving door on the O-Line. The zone blocking scheme requires everybody to be on the same page, and it gets complicated with the d-line stunts and whatnot.D-train wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 11:08 amSeattleAddict wrote: ↑Wed Nov 15, 2023 12:26 am
or maybe that's why the grades suck? Because they keep running the same predictable play, so the defense knows what's coming and the O-line looks bad?
But mostly I'll stick with my opinion that PFF is a joke, especially for blocking grades. They have no idea what the blocking assignments are, so only give positive grades if there's a pancake, and negative if the defender makes the tackle.
Or MAYBE the grader assumes that the guy the O lineman is trying to block IS HIS ASSIGNMENT
Secondarily, PFF doesn't have O-linemen grading the O-lines. After seeing low scores for particular players, I went back and watched every single snap, focusing on that player (check back, I did this last year with the O-line). On about 90% of the plays, it looks pretty neutral - neither guy gets blown up, so who gets a positive or negative score on that play? Neither, right? So if an O-lineman gets pushed back half a yard, do they get a negative point, even if the RB got thru the hole or the QB got the pass off? The only way the O-lineman gets a positive grade is if they do something impressive and obvious. But what if the D-lineman's job was to hold the position, not rush, but keep the pocket from breaking apart? He gets no push, but he did what he was supposed to... is that a plus for the O-lineman?