Hawks vs. Da Bears

[Seattle or Bust]

C'mon he looked like shit meringue pie out there.

I didn't say he didn't.

But all of my points have merit.

What's Geno's excuse for this dog shit performance against a Chicago defense that gave up 34 and 30 in back to back weeks? You can't rail against Howell who was literally set up to fail and tickle Geno's nuts when all he does is get reps.

All you did is describe the situation that almost every backup QB deals with. Regarding Geno i brought up numerous times in 2022/23 that he was #2 in the league in PFF's "turnover worthy plays" stat that season. For the most part i have said i regard him as an above avg QB, but i guess that is unreasonable compared to thinking Howell should be the starter.

I do describe it that way because it's accurate.

Offering a total assessment of Howell given the circumstances I provided is stupid and short sighted.

How many QB's come in totally cold off the bench and light the world on fire? It would have been an incredible surprise if he had. We don't know what we have in Howell... and thinking we do based on 1.5 quarters of being thrown into the fire is the dumbest shit I've ever read.

[Sibelius Hindemith]

I do describe it that way because it's accurate.

How many backup QBs in today's NFL get playing time and ever practice with the 1st team unit during the season? However i would agree it's tough to sit in the cold for a half then come into the game with no warning, particularly in a situation where the protection and playcalling are suspect and generally dreadful.

[Sibelius Hindemith]

Offering a total assessment of Howell given the circumstances I provided is stupid and short sighted.

How many QB's come in totally cold off the bench and light the world on fire? It would have been an incredible surprise if he had. We don't know what we have in Howell... and thinking we do based on 1.5 quarters of being thrown into the fire is the dumbest shit I've ever read.

Sure but i think there's enough evidence if you include what SH did in Wasington to conclude that Geno is currently the better QB. By the way, where were you on this thread?
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=9826

It seems to me you would have been all over that one rather than laying into me for some off-hand remark. Here are a couple posts i made in that thread...

I think what it mainly revealed was how bad the protection and/or playcalling was in that game and throughout most of the season. Is Grubb not familiar with the concept of the play action pass?

I'm not sure why anyone would expect much from the QB that led the league in both INTs and Sacks last year. That was also behinnd a terrible o line and perhaps with just average protection he might look like a legit NFL starting QB, but he ain't getting that here.

I don't know if you were referring to me, but does that sound like someone that was making an overall assessment of the QB?

[Seattle or Bust]

Offering a total assessment of Howell given the circumstances I provided is stupid and short sighted.

How many QB's come in totally cold off the bench and light the world on fire? It would have been an incredible surprise if he had. We don't know what we have in Howell... and thinking we do based on 1.5 quarters of being thrown into the fire is the dumbest shit I've ever read.

Sure but i think there's enough evidence if you include what SH did in Wasington to conclude that Geno is currently the better QB. By the way, where were you on this thread?
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=9826

It seems to me you would have been all over that one rather than laying into me for some off-hand remark. Here are a couple posts i made in that thread...

I think what it mainly revealed was how bad the protection and/or playcalling was in that game and throughout most of the season. Is Grubb not familiar with the concept of the play action pass?

I'm not sure why anyone would expect much from the QB that led the league in both INTs and Sacks last year. That was also behinnd a terrible o line and perhaps with just average protection he might look like a legit NFL starting QB, but he ain't getting that here.

I don't know if you were referring to me, but does that sound like someone that was making an overall assessment of the QB?

Again, you're going to judge Howell b/c of a stupid thread that shows he had a bad debut throwing 14 passes? What on earth do you think his performance proved?

Again, there's context to all of this.

I'm not claiming Howell is an amazing QB. I'm claiming the circumstances in which he was handed the football were almost impossible to overcome.

You show me a QB who sat for 14 games and came in cold off the bench in 30* weather mid way through the 3rd Q who went off... I'll shut up. The OL might as well have not even been on the field when he was in there.

[Sibelius Hindemith]

Again, you're going to judge Howell b/c of a stupid thread that shows he had a bad debut throwing 14 passes? What on earth do you think his performance proved?

How am i doing that? Isn't it evident from my posts that i wasn't judging him due to the o line? I even agreed with what you said about it being hard to come into a game late after sitting in the cold. If you had actually read that thread you'd know that, but i guess it's easier to throw barbs.

[Seattle or Bust]

Again, you're going to judge Howell b/c of a stupid thread that shows he had a bad debut throwing 14 passes? What on earth do you think his performance proved?

How am i doing that? Isn't it evident from my posts that i wasn't judging him due to the o line? I even agreed with what you said about it being hard to come into a game late after sitting in the cold. If you had actually read that thread you'd know that, but i guess it's easier to throw barbs.

Oh, I'm supposed to get that from: "C'mon he looked like shit meringue pie out there."

Yeah, so much context in that statement.

[Sibelius Hindemith]

You show me a QB who sat for 14 games and came in cold off the bench in 30* weather mid way through the 3rd Q who went off... I'll shut up. The OL might as well have not even been on the field when he was in there.

Well, in all fairness, Geno had thrown 9 passes in his previous 56 regular season games when he came off the bench at the beginning of the 4th quarter in game 5 of the 2021 season. That was after Wilson injured a finger on his throwing hand vs the Rams (on an Aaron Donald sack). Yes, it was early October in Seattle and Geno had been here for two full seasons and the o line was (marginally) better but his 10 for 17 for 131 with 1 TD and 1 INT was still somewhat respectable.

[Sibelius Hindemith]

Again, you're going to judge Howell b/c of a stupid thread that shows he had a bad debut throwing 14 passes? What on earth do you think his performance proved?

How am i doing that? Isn't it evident from my posts that i wasn't judging him due to the o line? I even agreed with what you said about it being hard to come into a game late after sitting in the cold. If you had actually read that thread you'd know that, but i guess it's easier to throw barbs.

Oh, I'm supposed to get that from: "C'mon he looked like shit meringue pie out there."

Yeah, so much context in that statement.

You read too much into an unserious comment. That's your main problem.

[Seattle or Bust]

You show me a QB who sat for 14 games and came in cold off the bench in 30* weather mid way through the 3rd Q who went off... I'll shut up. The OL might as well have not even been on the field when he was in there.

Well, in all fairness, Geno had thrown 9 passes in his previous 56 regular season games when he came off the bench at the beginning of the 4th quarter in game 5 of the 2021 season. That was after Wilson injured a finger on his throwing hand vs the Rams (on an Aaron Donald sack). Yes, it was early October in Seattle and Geno had been here for two full seasons and the o line was (marginally) better but his 10 for 17 for 131 with 1 TD and 1 INT was still somewhat respectable.

I'm not sure I'd call 10 of 17 for a TD and INT lighting the world on fire. It was fine...

But even then, I wouldn't glean anything off of that performance. It told you nothing about whether Geno was going to be good or bad moving forward.

[Seattle or Bust]

How am i doing that? Isn't it evident from my posts that i wasn't judging him due to the o line? I even agreed with what you said about it being hard to come into a game late after sitting in the cold. If you had actually read that thread you'd know that, but i guess it's easier to throw barbs.

Oh, I'm supposed to get that from: "C'mon he looked like shit meringue pie out there."

Yeah, so much context in that statement.

You read too much into an unserious comment. That's your main problem.

I'm supposed to be able to tell you're unserious through text?

I don't know you. As far as I can tell, you don't have many positive things to say and they don't always seem to be littered with humor.