DC fires the OC. LOL

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Re: DC fires the OC. LOL

Post by Michael K. » Fri Jan 10, 2025 10:29 pm

Sibelius Hindemith wrote:
Fri Jan 10, 2025 9:56 pm
Why not look at more advanced stats than simple yardage?
I'm not saying you can't. I also didn't say that our offense was a world beater. I honestly think he did better than could have been expected with what he had to work with. Did you read the O Line grades I posted the other day? There are maybe two Guards in the NFL that played worse than two of our guys that played. The RT position was a revolving door, literally and figuratively since that's what they looked like trying to block.

Yet we had a pretty darn good passing attack. Don't give the OC credit for that, fire his ass because he didn't look at this offense, that before the Rams game was bottom third in yards per carry. From the Calkins article. I know I know, you all hate him, so what he says doesn't matter. But read the words, don't think about who wrote them.
Seattle’s O-line came into Week 18 as the second-worst in the NFL according to Pro Football Focus’ rankings, and it isn’t particularly hard to see why. It was tied for third in the NFL in sacks allowed (54) this season, and though the Seahawks throwing more than most teams factored into that total, it was also a byproduct of who was on (or off) the field.

Right tackle Abe Lucas played serviceably when he came back to the lineup, but he missed 10 games, five of which resulted in losses. Center Connor Williams, a bad-snap recidivist, retired midway through the season. Christian Haynes, the guard picked in the third round of last year’s draft, couldn’t sneak into the starting lineup despite the unit’s struggles. Outside of left tackle Charles Cross, who has played close to his ninth-overall-pick expectations, the protection up front was weak.

Even when the Seahawks did run the ball, they were just 22nd in the league in yards per carry going into the final game — when they beat up a Rams team playing their starters sparingly. It’s not easy to advance the ball on the ground when the O-line is shoddy and your top RB is out due to injury for more than a third of the season.

So the Seahawks threw. A lot. And it worked a good chunk of the time before QB Geno Smith — be it his fault or that of a receiver — threw an interception. That happened 15 times this season, the third-most in the NFL. Four of those picks happened in the red zone.
Again, I could puke thinking of all of the short out routes run on third and eight because Pete insisted that his offense run the ball all the time. I could puke thinking of all the times we were behind the sticks because the run game stinks because the backs had to avoid tackles in the backfield. I was fine with Grubb basically saying fuck it. You guys aren't. But not one person has even come close to answering the question to me about what difference a new Coordinator would have made? What game did Grubb lose?

Two HUGE games this year. MacDonald and his defense lost the Giants game and Geno's redzone decisions lost the Rams game. Oh, and a horrendous play on defense cost us the Vikings game and the defense couldn't have stopped a runny nose against Green Bay. But, let's diagnose the one big one offensiveley.

The two Red Zone picks against LA.

5 Yard Run
(:17) (Shotgun) K.Walker right guard to SEA 36 for 5 yards (B.Brown).
1st & 10 at SEA 31
1 Yard Run
(15:00) (Shotgun) K.Walker left guard to SEA 37 for 1 yard (K.Turner; B.Fiske).
2nd & 5 at SEA 36
20 Yard Pass
(14:21) (No Huddle, Shotgun) G.Smith pass deep right to T.Lockett pushed ob at LAR 43 for 20 yards (D.Williams).
3rd & 4 at SEA 37
2 Yard Pass
(13:43) (No Huddle, Shotgun) G.Smith pass short right to K.Walker pushed ob at LAR 41 for 2 yards (C.Rozeboom).
1st & 10 at LAR 43
-2 Yard Run
(13:22) (No Huddle, Shotgun) K.Walker right end to LAR 43 for -2 yards (C.Rozeboom, D.Williams).
2nd & 8 at LAR 41
23 Yard Penalty
(12:47) (No Huddle, Shotgun) G.Smith pass incomplete deep left to C.White.
PENALTY on LAR-A.Witherspoon, Defensive Pass Interference, 23 yards, enforced at LAR 43 - No Play.
3rd & 10 at LAR 43
-2 Yard Run
(12:42) K.Walker up the middle to LAR 22 for -2 yards (J.Verse).
1st & 10 at LAR 20
16 Yard Pass
(12:03) (No Huddle, Shotgun) G.Smith pass short middle to C.White to LAR 6 for 16 yards (Q.Lake).
2nd & 12 at LAR 22
Touchdown Rams
(11:17) (Shotgun) G.Smith pass short left intended for J.Smith-Njigba INTERCEPTED by K.Kinchens [B.Young] at LAR -3. K.Kinchens to SEA 1 for 102 yards. FUMBLES, and recovers at SEA -8. TOUCHDOWN.

Poor decision by Geno. Argue that maybe you don't throw on first down. But what part of 4 carries for 2 yards screams "run the fucking ball". So? I'd put more blame on a poor decision by Geno. It was first down....throw it away.

Then we block a punt and get another chance.

4 Yard Pass
(8:44) (Shotgun) G.Smith pass short right to K.Walker pushed ob at LAR 15 for 4 yards (Q.Lake).
1st & 10 at LAR 19
Sack
(8:01) (Shotgun) G.Smith sacked ob at LAR 15 for 0 yards (Q.Lake).
2nd & 6 at LAR 15
10 Yard Pass
(7:26) (Shotgun) G.Smith pass short right to A.Barner to LAR 5 for 10 yards (D.Williams).
3rd & 6 at LAR 15
1 Yard Run
(6:49) (Shotgun) J.Sundell reported in as eligible. K.Walker up the middle to LAR 4 for 1 yard (B.Brown; K.Turner).
1st & 5 at LAR 5
Interception
(6:10) (Shotgun) G.Smith pass short right intended for A.Barner INTERCEPTED by K.Kinchens at LAR 7. K.Kinchens to LAR 7 for no gain (A.Barner).
2nd & 4 at LAR 4

Again, maybe you run it, but the play before had zero chance. Geno can't make that decision there. But run it? That game we ran it 33 fucking times! Gained 107 yards! 3.2 yards per carry! But...run the fucking ball Grubb. Give me a break. Geno threw for 363 and 3 TDs. Can't throw those picks, but when you look at that, and tell me the guy needed to run the ball more? I can't wait to see what you all get to watch next year. I remember reading the game threads when we just ran it because we were supposed to. Shoved guys like C Mike and Rawls into the Guards asses so we could punt and put the defense back on the field. Can't wait for more of that shit.

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Re: DC fires the OC. LOL

Post by Michael K. » Fri Jan 10, 2025 10:31 pm

Oh, and just a reminder of how we lost the Rams game. The defense got carved like a Turkey after this wonderful drive.

8 Yard Run
(10:00) (Shotgun) K.Walker up the middle to SEA 38 for 8 yards (J.McCollough; B.Young).
1st & 10 at SEA 30
6 Yard Run
(9:37) (No Huddle, Shotgun) K.Walker up the middle to SEA 44 for 6 yards (B.Young).
2nd & 2 at SEA 38
31 Yard Pass
(9:14) (No Huddle, Shotgun) G.Smith pass short middle to J.Smith-Njigba ran ob at LAR 25 for 31 yards (K.Kinchens).
Penalty on LAR-A.Witherspoon, Illegal Contact, declined.
Penalty on LAR-K.Turner, Defensive Offside, declined.
1st & 10 at SEA 44
4 Yard Run
(8:55) (Shotgun) K.Walker left guard to LAR 21 for 4 yards (T.Davis; J.McCollough).
1st & 10 at LAR 25
5 Yard Run
(8:31) (No Huddle, Shotgun) K.Walker left guard to LAR 16 for 5 yards (K.Kinchens, T.Davis).
2nd & 6 at LAR 21
Run for No Gain
(8:09) (No Huddle, Shotgun) K.Walker left guard to LAR 16 for no gain (J.Verse).
3rd & 1 at LAR 16
Turnover on Downs
(7:25) O.Oluwatimi reported in as eligible. K.Walker left tackle to LAR 16 for no gain (B.Brown; O.Speights).
4th & 1 at LAR 16


Yeah Grubb...run the fucking ball.

One pass for 31 yards. The run game was good, until it wasn't, and we lost. I remember a lot of bitching in the game thread about running it there. The call was fine, the line just got completely destroyed two straight times. But, that's on the OC.

Get ready for more of the same, because the next guy is going to look at Grubb's fate and realize that milking the clock, running the ball and punting has a better chance of saving his job than trying to get firsts downs and score TDs.

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Re: DC fires the OC. LOL

Post by Sibelius Hindemith » Sat Jan 11, 2025 4:02 am

Nobody disputes that the O line sucks. I've been banging that drum for like 10 years now. But would you have preferred watching Geno take a 9 yard sack on 3rd or 4th down to Walker getting stuffed?

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Re: DC fires the OC. LOL

Post by Michael K. » Sat Jan 11, 2025 5:40 am

I think a pass had a better chance. But the bigger issue is, why is he getting fired then? Because he didn't run it enough. Again, name the game we win if we had run more?

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Re: DC fires the OC. LOL

Post by Sibelius Hindemith » Sat Jan 11, 2025 5:58 pm

I think they have a better chance vs the Giants and late vs the Vikings. Did you read the Corbin Smith article, he detailed what happened there.

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Re: DC fires the OC. LOL

Post by Michael K. » Sun Jan 12, 2025 2:54 am

Sibelius Hindemith wrote:
Sat Jan 11, 2025 5:58 pm
I think they have a better chance vs the Giants and late vs the Vikings. Did you read the Corbin Smith article, he detailed what happened there.
I thought the defense was pretty shitty in both those games. Even blew a late lead against the Vikings

I didn't see the Smith article. I'll have to go find it.

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Re: DC fires the OC. LOL

Post by Sibelius Hindemith » Sun Jan 12, 2025 4:24 am

It was posted by Donnie B back on page 3...
Donn Beach wrote:
Tue Jan 07, 2025 8:18 pm
Here's Smith take on it, he takes it through pretty much game by game, the souring of the relationship, it's convincing, nice piece, he must have been working on this.

https://www.si.com/nfl/seahawks/seahawk ... ryan-grubb

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Re: DC fires the OC. LOL

Post by Michael K. » Sun Jan 12, 2025 6:05 am

I'll read it, but two things come to mind. I highly doubt he did anything hint to deserve being canned after one year, and I REALLY highly doubt we will be better off. It reeks of a defensive minded coach trying to take us back centuries. It's how Pete took us from 7 and 1 to an exit on WC weekend where we lost a home playoff game to a decision rival with a QB missing half his hand and Aaron Donald sidelines most of the second half. But at least Pete was comfortable with the style of offense we played.

MM and Grub not communicating well, or what ever BS he spouted off? Was code for MM wasn't comfortable. We haven't been 7 and 1 since the last defense first HC to uncomfortable. I for one am sick and tired of the defense first crotchety old fuckers. I defended MM all year, but he's losing me.

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Re: DC fires the OC. LOL

Post by Captain 97 » Sun Jan 12, 2025 7:29 am

Sibelius Hindemith wrote:
Fri Jan 10, 2025 8:26 pm
Captain 97 wrote:
Fri Jan 10, 2025 5:32 pm
Found this pretty interesting

Total Yards per Game
2023 322.9 (21st) - 2024 332.2 (14th)

Passing Yards Per Game
2023 230.0 (14th) -2024 236.5 (8th)

Rushing Yards per Game
2023 92.2 (28th) -2024 95.7 (28th)

Interceptions
2023 12 (13th) -2024 16 (26th)

The Offense basically improved in every facet except for the QB throwing interceptions.
The Seahawks had 35 more offensive plays in '24 than in '23. If you adjust for that then the '23 team would have averaged more yards per game.
They also converted a higher percentage of 3rd downs in 2024. Funny how you get to run more plays when you do that isn't it?

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Re: DC fires the OC. LOL

Post by Sibelius Hindemith » Sun Jan 12, 2025 8:14 am

Well, the D also allowed 670 fewer yards this year.

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