Post Mortem: Seahawks v Cardinals

[Sibelius Hindemith]

Hilarious. You show all the data and analytical proof or you're wrong and I am right. Historically bad defense be damned.

[SeattleAddict]

to speak to why the team is only good for 9-11 wins/year;

first of all, 9-11 wins per year every year is pretty damn good in the NFL.

second, that QB signed what was at the time the richest contract in history. They had super success when he was playing on the rookie contract, because they could spread the wealth around to have great depth. They were also nearly injury free during that Super Bowl run.

When WIlson signed his contract, the salary cap forced some tough cuts. Every team in the league that has a franchise QB has gone thru this. The one that didn't? The Patriots, because Brady had a rich wife and wanted championships more than the extra money, and signed a VERY team friendly deal. I believe RW will do the same... but we shall see.

[D-train]

Man this argument is so tired we've done it like 57 times. Maybe we should just agree to disagree and talked about the Sea Gals

[D-train]

I mean the seagulls that were born girls

[Michael K.]

why did they have to rebuild?...I would say, salary cap management, they cycled through some veteran contracts, number on the defense, they signed RW to the new contract, shifted the emphasis of the team.

They needed to rebuild because they had to over pay veterans because they failed to replace them in the draft.

And Aurora, shut the fuck up. I answer this multiple times, then you go crawl under your rock and hide for weeks before coming back out to demand I do the work for you again. Go find the multiple posts form just a few weeks ago. Myself and others showed all the Pro Bowlers they passed on. Some so they could draft a guy at the same position before hand, that wasn't as good. It was great fun because Bill came out and told us it doesn't matter, because those other Pro Bowlers, even though I showed were drafted within about 15 or 20 spots of us, where all in the second round, so somehow the fact that we reached for a first round pick doesn't matter. Oh, and one of our players was the last pick of the first round. So, by Bill's logic, we couldn't have made a mistake regardless of who we took there, because no other Pro Bowlers were taken....in THAT round.

You can't make this shit up. Do your own damn research. It has been hashed over time and time again. We passed on numerous Pro Bowlers. They were available WHEN WE PICKED, and some played the same position. They messed up.

It is a big reason we have one ring and not a couple more. Sorry, it's true.

[Michael K.]

Hilarious. You show all the data and analytical proof or you're wrong and I am right. Historically bad defense be damned.

Get used to it. I could have even rehashed the post from a month or so ago that listed all the Pro Bowlers. He would just run and hide, only to reappear in a few months and demand we prove it again. He isn't worth the time or effort.

[Sibelius Hindemith]

I mean, i'll concede that the drafts since 2013 haven't all been bad, but upon reading about how CarAV (career approximate value) is calculated i would question the methodology because it places a lot of value on number of games as a starter and nothing on individual performance. So Germain Ifedi, for instance, gets rated high for starting for an offensive unit that performed well even though his level of play was bad and contributed little to the success of that unit.

Another issue comes up with regard to a player like Mark Glowinski. He either was not developed by the coaches here or he wasn't needed, so they let him go for nothing and he became a starter for another team and gained nearly all his CarAV with that other team. So he may have been a decent pick but the Seahawks got nothing out of it. Of course that would mainly be a coaching issue but does make one wonder if it was also a case of not picking the type of player they needed.

[auroraave]

why did they have to rebuild?...I would say, salary cap management, they cycled through some veteran contracts, number on the defense, they signed RW to the new contract, shifted the emphasis of the team.

They needed to rebuild because they had to over pay veterans because they failed to replace them in the draft.

And Aurora, shut the fuck up. I answer this multiple times, then you go crawl under your rock and hide for weeks before coming back out to demand I do the work for you again. Go find the multiple posts form just a few weeks ago. Myself and others showed all the Pro Bowlers they passed on. Some so they could draft a guy at the same position before hand, that wasn't as good. It was great fun because Bill came out and told us it doesn't matter, because those other Pro Bowlers, even though I showed were drafted within about 15 or 20 spots of us, where all in the second round, so somehow the fact that we reached for a first round pick doesn't matter. Oh, and one of our players was the last pick of the first round. So, by Bill's logic, we couldn't have made a mistake regardless of who we took there, because no other Pro Bowlers were taken....in THAT round.

You can't make this shit up. Do your own damn research. It has been hashed over time and time again. We passed on numerous Pro Bowlers. They were available WHEN WE PICKED, and some played the same position. They messed up.

It is a big reason we have one ring and not a couple more. Sorry, it's true.

Seems to me, if you are the one making the claim, then it would be up to you to offer the proof. that's generally how it works. Why would I be responsible for proving your math? On what planet am I responsible for proving your claims? that's literally fucking absurd. That makes no sense at all. Have you ever seen a court case where opposing council make the others case for them? No, you haven't. You have provided no evidence other than your usual emotional gratification demands that you expect the team to satisfy. Zero. Jesus Christ, son, you gotta do better than this.

You seriously posted that someone else is responsible for proving your point. Why can't you?

As far as my posting frequency - I don't post that much. I don't have that much to say, and I see no need to waste people times posting 75 times a day about nothing. A show about nothing, like Seinfeld, is the shit, but not nonsensical posting. I get out. Probably 95% is Post Mortem. That's it.

I'm not saying he is some draft guru - at all. he has limitations like everyone in that position does. There is no proven method - just the one that works for you, and they've been successful more often than not. But I believe his drafts have been above average, and when combined with his excellent off season/FA/trade acquisitions, he is well above average. In no way do I dispute draft whiffs - I consider that as par for the course, all things considered, including draft position and human risk factor. But when you combine the two, we are coming out wayyyy ahead, so relentlessly whining about the lesser of the equation while ignoring the much bigger success, is lame to me. Makes no sense at all. You should be marveling at the success. It's how i chose to see it. You should try that.

[Michael K.]

Piss off Aurora. Read the other posts where the facts were laid out. THAT is my point, I have done the work, I have made my point. Stop demanding I do it again. For once, either 1. read what has already been typed in here, 2. do the work your self, or 3. shut the fuck up. I’m fine with any of the three, but number three would be a great option for you.