Looks like five more years of horseshit Offensive Lines

[douche]

No, it's a thread complaining about John Schneider.

Silly me, I took the name of the thread at face value.

[DanielVogelbach]

There's only so much you can ask for. It's not about how good the GM is. It's about how good the GM is compared to the other GMs in the league.

NFL is pure competition between the franchises, since they all have the same salary cap. John Schneider could be a football genius of the highest degree, but as long as the other 31 franchises also have the football equivalent of a jedi master, then there's no competitive edge.

One thing that you could look at would be if there's an idea of going in cycles of terrible to great working better than wallowing in mediocrity or even slightly good but not making deep runs to conference championship or Super Bowl. I think most fans would prefer to suck for a while, then compete for Bowls, then suck for a while, etc.

I guess you would say rebuild cycles versus trying to sustain. This is definitely applicable in baseball, but not sure if as applicable to NFL. Perhaps you can maintain decent competitiveness even during a rebuild or that would even be desired since there is a lot more rebuilding to do if your whole team sucks and NFL rosters are so big. But, even in the NFL if you completely suck then you get higher draft picks. You can trade veterans for draft picks and then suck and get better picks. I think it still might be a good idea, but then there was the Patriots that were good forever even in the salary cap era.

I think it kind of goes back to whether or not you think a GM can be so good that he can outsmart the entire league. I think maybe the Patriots were doing that to some extent. It wasn't just Tom Brady. But, as teams catch up then it becomes more difficult. It's kind of like how Billy Beane had an advantage with his advanced stats, but now everyone uses advanced stats.

[Michael K.]

Jesus. Someone do an exercise for me. Find out how many years John Schneider has been the GM. Then look at O Line rankings for those years. Then tell me I have no reason to gripe.

What the fuck people. He has historically had bad to terrible O Lines, and has repeatedly blamed a poor talent pool and poor coaching. It's Chicken Shit. There was no need for this extension right now.

[Bil522]

Jesus. Someone do an exercise for me. Find out how many years John Schneider has been the GM. Then look at O Line rankings for those years. Then tell me I have no reason to gripe.

What the fuck people. He has historically had bad to terrible O Lines, and has repeatedly blamed a poor talent pool and poor coaching. It's Chicken Shit. There was no need for this extension right now.

You can't do that. Pete was in control of the coaching and ultimately who was picked in the draft. I remember an article I read, about the time of Ifedi being drafted, that Pete just picked who Tom Cable said. Cable was the Associciate HC so really no one other than Pete was his supervisor. I am assuming that Pete trusted his all of his coaches on the OL because he was a DB/Defensive coach. I believe JS could say we are picking a guy at this spot or trading down but Pete had to ok it.

[Donn Beach]

Jesus. Someone do an exercise for me. Find out how many years John Schneider has been the GM. Then look at O Line rankings for those years. Then tell me I have no reason to gripe.

What the fuck people. He has historically had bad to terrible O Lines, and has repeatedly blamed a poor talent pool and poor coaching. It's Chicken Shit. There was no need for this extension right now.

You can't do that. Pete was in control of the coaching and ultimately who was picked in the draft. I remember an article I read, about the time of Ifedi being drafted, that Pete just picked who Tom Cable said. Cable was the Associciate HC so really no one other than Pete was his supervisor. I am assuming that Pete trusted his all of his coaches on the OL because he was a DB/Defensive coach. I believe JS could say we are picking a guy at this spot or trading down but Pete had to ok it.

Pete insisted on having the authority to veto a personnel move when he agreed to coach the Seahawks. He wasn't going to get stuck with players he didn't want. But that's not the same as running the draft. He relied on JS and his staff to scout talent and run the draft. He wasn't there to handle both, that's the reason for JS being the GM to begin with. JS is on record stating Pete never overruled a personnel decision of his. Pete was involved but scouting and drafting was JS's department.

"That's why they work so good together is because Pete may have the final say, but at the end of the day, he's going to trust John and know that [Schneider has] obviously ... done the legwork on guys when it comes to the draft and free agency," said Dan Morgan, who was Seattle's pro personnel director before becoming the Bills' director of player personnel in 2018. "It's just kind of throwing the egos to the side and trusting who you work with."

"There have been a couple guys that we didn't see eye-to-eye on, but we saw eye-to-eye on the decision," Carroll said. "If we're going to make this decision, let's come together and find a way. You support me, I'll support you. Somebody has to give in somewhere and we did. We've done that. That's what's important. We never made a choice that we went [in opposite directions] because we didn't get together on it. That hasn't happened."

[Michael K.]

Jesus. Someone do an exercise for me. Find out how many years John Schneider has been the GM. Then look at O Line rankings for those years. Then tell me I have no reason to gripe.

What the fuck people. He has historically had bad to terrible O Lines, and has repeatedly blamed a poor talent pool and poor coaching. It's Chicken Shit. There was no need for this extension right now.

You can't do that. Pete was in control of the coaching and ultimately who was picked in the draft. I remember an article I read, about the time of Ifedi being drafted, that Pete just picked who Tom Cable said. Cable was the Associciate HC so really no one other than Pete was his supervisor. I am assuming that Pete trusted his all of his coaches on the OL because he was a DB/Defensive coach. I believe JS could say we are picking a guy at this spot or trading down but Pete had to ok it.

I used to say the same thing, but here we are again. They drafted someone, great, we often times draft someone. Hell, they drafted Cross and Lucas. We need more than one guy to improve the interior O Line, but JS has repeated the same old mantra that all we need are the guys we have now to be coached different. That hasn't worked.