We may be higher on the talent than others.

[douche]

I think we all need to remind ourselves that if the mantra is, 'Always Compete', then you'll have a team that always competes but doesn't necessarily advance. As we've all seen, many teams in the past have become better, won it all, and then completely tanked. SEA has done a pretty good job of not tanking, but a good W-L column can get old when the team never advances. As fans, we can all understand that frustration.

For me, I think the PC approach just became stale. 137-89-1 is an impressive stat over that period of time, but two trips to the big game and that soul crushing loss is all most of us remember. I've mentioned this before, but the turning point for me was the 2018 WC game against DAL. The PC era ended right there for me.

That said, does the line have issues? Yes. Does it need improvement? Yes. It will be interesting to see how they run the offense with Kubiak and the current QB room.

[Bil522]

I think we all need to remind ourselves that if the mantra is, 'Always Compete', then you'll have a team that always competes but doesn't necessarily advance. As we've all seen, many teams in the past have become better, won it all, and then completely tanked. SEA has done a pretty good job of not tanking, but a good W-L column can get old when the team never advances. As fans, we can all understand that frustration.

For me, I think the PC approach just became stale. 137-89-1 is an impressive stat over that period of time, but two trips to the big game and that soul crushing loss is all most of us remember. I've mentioned this before, but the turning point for me was the 2018 WC game against DAL. The PC era ended right there for me.

That said, does the line have issues? Yes. Does it need improvement? Yes. It will be interesting to see how they run the offense with Kubiak and the current QB room.

Wow...let the truth be told.

[Donn Beach]

I think we all need to remind ourselves that if the mantra is, 'Always Compete', then you'll have a team that always competes but doesn't necessarily advance. As we've all seen, many teams in the past have become better, won it all, and then completely tanked. SEA has done a pretty good job of not tanking, but a good W-L column can get old when the team never advances. As fans, we can all understand that frustration.

For me, I think the PC approach just became stale. 137-89-1 is an impressive stat over that period of time, but two trips to the big game and that soul crushing loss is all most of us remember. I've mentioned this before, but the turning point for me was the 2018 WC game against DAL. The PC era ended right there for me.

That said, does the line have issues? Yes. Does it need improvement? Yes. It will be interesting to see how they run the offense with Kubiak and the current QB room.

Wow...let the truth be told.

Really? What make's it a PC thing as opposed to a seahawks thing? That sort of attitude came from ownership on down. The seahawks don't tank.

“We’re not like, ‘OK, we’re going to tank’ or whatever,” Schneider said. “That mindset does not exist. And that’s a mandate from (team owner) Jody (Allen). We want to be the best.”

If you guys are disappointed with that sorry to hear it but that's the way the seahawks operate. Honestly, have you been paying attention to the off season?

[Michael K.]

I think we all need to remind ourselves that if the mantra is, 'Always Compete', then you'll have a team that always competes but doesn't necessarily advance. As we've all seen, many teams in the past have become better, won it all, and then completely tanked.

Who? Tampa? Even they competed for another year before Brady walked...and are now right back on track. I suppose you are talking about KC? Oh, wait. Philly? Oh, wait. The Rams, oh....wait. What, Denver in 2016? Again, aging QB. That can be explained. I don't get your theory....we have had teams that seemed to be a piece or two away, specifically up front. Many of those pieces we didn't have because we ignored the weakness, or flat out traded back to draft JAGs instead of Studs.

SEA has done a pretty good job of not tanking, but a good W-L column can get old when the team never advances. As fans, we can all understand that frustration.

For me, I think the PC approach just became stale. 137-89-1 is an impressive stat over that period of time, but two trips to the big game and that soul crushing loss is all most of us remember. I've mentioned this before, but the turning point for me was the 2018 WC game against DAL. The PC era ended right there for me.

For me it was when we were 8 and 1 or 8 and 2, but he wasn't comfortable winning football games that way. So we finished the season with 12 wins and got trounced in the playoffs by a Rams team missing Aaron Donald and the QB was missing half his fingers! They finished that season 4 and 5 I believe, but at least Pete was more comfortable than he was when they were 8 and 2!

That said, does the line have issues? Yes. Does it need improvement? Yes. It will be interesting to see how they run the offense with Kubiak and the current QB room.

The line has always had issues. So? While he was still under contract? We extended the GM's contract.

And NFL teams don't tank. But being mediocre for four straight years, just outside of the playoffs three times and destroyed in the playoffs once? Is worse than tanking, IMO. That said, I don't know that the right QB was out there. Bad luck. IMO. But we could have invested in the O Line instead of a LB that we played at Safety, and a few other moves.

[douche]

But being mediocre for four straight years, just outside of the playoffs three times and destroyed in the playoffs once? Is worse than tanking, IMO.

Agreed. And that's my point. I'm fine with the mantra but, 'Always Compete' doesn't necessarily mean that the team is any closer to a SB.

Since the 2013 SB:

2014 - lost SB to Patriots
2015 - lost divisional to Panthers
2016 - lost divisional to Falcons
2017 - missed playoffs
2018 - lost WC to Cowboys
2019 - lost divisional to Packers
2020 - lost WC to Rams
2021 - missed playoffs
2022 - lost WC to Niners
2023 - missed playoffs
2024 - missed playoffs

109 regular season wins in that span. So yea, they were definitely competing. But it didn't win them another championship.

Does one prefer to win a SB and suck hard for a few years?

Or is it better to 'always compete', garner a bunch of regular season wins and never advance in the playoffs (or miss the playoffs altogether)?

[Michael K.]

But being mediocre for four straight years, just outside of the playoffs three times and destroyed in the playoffs once? Is worse than tanking, IMO.

Is it better to win a SB and suck hard for a few years?

Or 'always compete', garner a bunch of regular season wins and never advance in the playoffs (or miss the playoffs altogether)?

There can be a combination of the two, but you can't blow drafts the way we did and over pay for the wrong guys. We've all been over this so many times, but the constant thought that they could just catch lightening in a bottle every year because they are smarter than everyone....trading back and back until they loaded up on guys that aren't any good? They screwed the talent level on this team. It's not depth if your depth guys can't get on the field because they suck. And then? They lost the ability for luxury picks. Some of that is luck, who falls and who doesn't....but when you are lacking starters because you continued to simply draft depth? You can't take a QB early to ensure you have one later...things like that.

And the O Line? Again, don't blame Cable....the final decision is someone in the FO. Whether that was Pete or John? They fucking blew it. You can't blow it in the NFL, because the deck is stacked against you. That's where we'd have been better off having a down year. The way the Colts got Andrew Luck, the way the 49ers loaded up their defense with top end picks, etc. Those are extreme examples, but it's almost the Mariner philosophy...let's just shoot for just over .500?

I know, baseball and football are different. But it was a philosophy that destroyed them, just as much as 2nd and Goal. Arrogance. It's arrogant to believe you will always hit Gold with mid round picks, so you don't need firsts and seconds. It's arrogant to believe that you don't need College O Lineman, you just need big guys that Cable can turn into Lineman. It's arrogant to think that every bright shinney toy that Pete wants? He should get...regardless if we will know how to use Graham, Harvin, Adams or not. It's arrogant to think that Sheldon Richardson is the missing piece, and over react to a motorcycle accident ruining your original plan.

There are many of these examples. So, soon AA will come in here and call it bullshit and hindsight. Here is why I hate that argument. Fuck the "you couldn't do better" or "what would you have done different argument", which AA always turns into screams of Hindsight anyway. Here is the deal...First? It's a bottom line business. 2nd? Make it my full time job, pay me what John makes? Give me the research he has at his finger tips? I am not so sure I wouldn't have done a better job. Some of the shit they did was head scratching, and it was only because they were so excited reading about how they did it in the beginning, how they were trend setters? That they got addicted to that kind of attention.

That is how you go from the youngest and most talented team in the league to scraping into the playoffs, and then not making the playoffs at all.

[douche]

I think Schneider's last couple of drafts have been very solid.

Really hoping they can get the line figured out and generate some offense this season.

But what I would really like to see is a playoff run (I know, wishful thinking).

[Michael K.]

I think Schneider's last couple of drafts have been very solid.

Really hoping they can get the line figured out and generate some offense this season.

Although what I would really like to see is a playoff run (I know, wishful thinking).

I agree, I have REALLY liked the last two drafts. I just hate that he seems to completely thumb his nose at the OL position, and then blame everyone but the players he chose to use. Again, bottom line business, and his O Lines suck....yet he continues to fire OCs and O Line Coaches to deflect blame. And it seems besides most of the fans and all of the media buying into that shit? So has the Organization because they decided to give him five more years.

Captain pointed out that it's easy to get out from under those agreements, so maybe it means nothing. But I still don't see any upside to extending the guy that was in charge of the last decades worth of decline, and a four year run that is mediocre at best an 0 and 1 in the playoffs. Sends an odd message, to me.

[57reasons]

I agree, I have REALLY liked the last two drafts. I just hate that he seems to completely thumb his nose at the OL position

I share your love for the recent drafts, but your follow-up is a tired narrative that is just no longer true. I think it was Millen who totalled up the total draft capital spent on OL the last few years, and Hawks were top 5 if not even number one. Cross a top 10, Zabel round 1, Lucas round 3, Haynes a 3, Bradford a 3, Olu 5, Laumea and Cabeldue 6, Richmon 7, Jerrell and Forysyth too. Lewis a 3 before that. You havent got the results yet from Bradford and Haynes, but it's not like the league thought those guys were overdrafted, instead they both got positive reviews when chosen. Of course a Free Agent or two would have been nice, beside a broken-down Connor Williams and subpar Evan Brown, but even there they did take a swing at throwing money at Fries this year, but wisely didnt pull a Vikings and gamble signing him without first passing a physical.

[Pharmabro]

All the talk recently about how great the talent acquisitions John Schneider has made...someone even posted some stat about how were the most talented team under the age of 24, or some shit. I thought this recent list was interesting. We have a D Lineman and a Corner in the top 10, and no one in the top five.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/top- ... D=43217563

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/top- ... D=43217563

I think the defense is going to be pretty damn good this year, but I don't know that it makes up for the deficiencies we are going to have on Offense.

I do find it lazy that the above lists does a Top 10 by position, until it gets to the O Line and then lumps them all together. But I think it's pretty safe to say we probably wouldn't have put anyone inside the Top 10 at any of the three O Line positions. The love given to Schneider just simply confuses me. Have we been successful? Yep, but look at this team after Second and Goal and tell me he kept it together. You don't miss the playoffs three out of four years and get an extension...then have people point to what you did five or ten years ago for why!

It's a QB driven league with little exception.