Duane Brown unhappy?

[douche]

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Max Kellerman thinks that the Seahawks are wasting one of the greatest primes in NFL history when it comes to Wilson.

I can't disagree.

[Big Mike]

Naw, not me that I remember

[Gametime]

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Max Kellerman thinks that the Seahawks are wasting one of the greatest primes in NFL history when it comes to Wilson.

I can't disagree.

I agree with the part about Pete and his obsession with running the football. But, saying one of the greatest primes in history?? That is borderline craze. Russ isn't even the best in football this year, last year, or any year he has been here. Greatest Prime?? I don't think so. That is ridiculous. If he said with Pete's boneheadness and idiotic OC's I agree.

I also disagree on another point overall. Pete didn't waste putting it on Russ's throwing ability in the superbowl. Russ could have not lead our WR so much and put it in his belly and Butler couldn't have gotten the ball then, put is on and not in front and Russ and his "Prime" would have won the game.

Again, I am getting sick of hearing nothing that Russ is part of the problem of not getting the most out of his prime. Right now its 50/50 in my opinion. they are both at fault. The major problem is neither of them can admit they are major issues to holding big time success up.

1. Pete has 100 percent control of on and off the field play and players. Why can't he adjust?
2. If Russ is the best, why can't he do better in the playoffs without an Elite D? If he is so great.

Both are holding each other back.

[D-train]

By Bob Condotta
Seattle Times staff reporter
RENTON — When the Seahawks offense takes the field Saturday night in the preseason opener against the Raiders in Las Vegas, the starting left tackle is expected to be rookie Stone Forsythe.

And Forsythe could stay out there a while — the Seahawks have a shortage of available tackles at the moment and hope to get as much information as possible about a player who could figure heavily into the team’s long-term plans at one of the most important positions.

But when the regular season begins Sept. 12 at Indianapolis, the Seahawks have every confidence that veteran Duane Brown will be back manning left tackle as he has for all but four regular-season games the last three seasons.

Brown is currently “holding in,’’ attending meetings and walk-throughs but not taking part in on-field workouts as he lobbies for a new contract.

As coach Pete Carroll said Sunday, Brown is “making a statement.’’

But it continues to be one that sources indicate is falling mostly flat.

Sources have said the team is not in active negotiations with Brown, instead having apparently told Brown they want to keep him but want to get through the 2021 season and then address his contract situation.

Brown turns 36 on Aug. 30, and famously had knee surgery late in the 2019 season only to then recover quickly enough to make it back in time to play in the divisional playoff loss at Green Bay three weeks later, something Carroll called, “an unbelievable thing.’’

But the knee issues are one reason Brown’s practice reps are heavily managed and have even led to some speculation in the offseasons since about whether — or how long — Brown would continue to play.

That and Brown’s age undoubtedly weigh heavily in Seattle’s decision not to offer him a contract extension at this point.

And while Brown is “holding in’’ now, the Seahawks are banking that Brown won’t hold out once the season begins since he has $11.35 million riding on playing this year.

Brown has a $10 million base salary for this year — which players only get once they play in games — and also has another $1 million in roster bonuses ($58,823 for each game that he is active) as well as another $350,000 in incentives.

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True, Brown did hold out while he was with Houston in 2017 and missed the first six games of the season, leading to his October trade to Seattle. But that holdout seemed designed in large part to get Brown traded to a new team that would give him a significant extension.

The Seahawks promised Brown one when the trade was made and then came through with a three-year deal the following offseason worth $11.56 million per season — and included $16 million guaranteed — that made him the 10th highest-paid left tackle in the NFL at the time.

Brown has certainly earned all of that contract, if not more. He played all 16 regular-season games last season and allowed just two sacks in 1,048 snaps, via Pro Football Focus, which rated him as the fifth-best left tackle in the NFL.

But to the Seahawks, the question isn’t Brown’s worth now but how much to commit to his future.

And with the salary cap in 2022 expected to still be lower than anticipated, due to COVID-19 related losses in revenues, every dollar counts. Seattle has roughly $45 million in available cap space for 2022 but also will have to sign DK Metcalf to an extension this offseason that figures to make him among the highest-paid receivers in the NFL and also will have to fit in a new contract for Jamal Adams.

Brown could point to the Rams signing Andrew Whitworth to a three-year, $30 million deal two years ago at age 38 as a precedent. But the structure of that contract is accurately viewed as a two-year deal, and Whitworth also agreed to a restructure this offseason resulting in a $3 million pay cut for this season.

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Jason Fitzgerald of OvertheCap.com noted this week that since 2013, only three other left tackles have played beyond Brown’s age — Whitworth, Jason Peters and Donald Penn.

As Fitzgerald wrote: “Working against Brown is that there is a question as to how much he would get in free agency.’’

Brown obviously knows that, too — undoubtedly one reason he’s using the leverage he has now to angle for some security for the future, if not also an immediate raise. Via OvertheCap.com, Brown is the 16th-highest paid left tackle in the NFL this season, something many would argue makes him underpaid by comparison.

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It’s likely Brown wouldn’t be looking for an overly significant raise.

The assumption for much of the early part of camp was also that the Seahawks would take care of Brown once they had a deal done with Adams. As of Thursday, the Seahawks and Adams remained locked in a standstill on his contract.

The thought Seattle would do something for Brown was based in part on Carroll’s comment in the spring when it was reported that Brown wanted a new deal that “he’s a big part of what we’re doing and we’re counting on him being with us and we’ll look down the road together and we’ll see what’s the right thing to do.’’

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But over the last week it has become evident that “down the road’’ appears to mean after the 2021 season.

As he has throughout camp, Brown walked onto the field midway through Thursday’s practice to watch the rest.

And Carroll has already said Brown will not play in the preseason (a statement that could be an olive branch to Brown, letting him know the team cares only about him being ready once real games begin).

But coaches and teammates say Brown has been active as ever in walk-throughs and meetings.

“Duane has been awesome,’’ offensive line coach Mike Solari said. “He is working hard and really doing a nice job with the young guys. Doing a great job in the sense of insight and giving information to the young guys.’’

Some could argue Brown’s leverage has only increased in recent days.

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First, Russell Wilson spoke candidly about the need to get something done with Brown following Sunday’s mock game, seeming to put some pressure on the organization.

Seattle’s tackle depth has also taken a hit. Jamarco Jones — who had been working with the starting unit in Brown’s place — has been sidelined with back spasms, and Cedric Ogbuehi, who can play both tackle spots, is dealing with a biceps strain that could have him out a few weeks.

That’s where things circle back to Forsythe. When the Seahawks gave up a seventh-round pick to move up nine spots to take him, the thought was he’d be a developmental player who’d need a year or two to contribute.

But Forsythe has given signs he may be readier to play than was commonly thought, performing admirably in pass-rush drills, in particular. Forsythe, though, played mostly in a two-point stance at Florida. Seattle will need to see how well he does in a three-point stance, and specifically in the running game, before deciding he could be a real factor this season.

“He’s really developing,’’ Solari said. “He’s really working hard. And Duane has done a great job with his leadership, teaching him how to do things right.’’

If Forsythe continues to develop, he could give the Seahawks that much more reason to decide they can worry about the future of their left tackle spot later, allowing them to play hardball with Brown now.

[Michael K.]

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Max Kellerman thinks that the Seahawks are wasting one of the greatest primes in NFL history when it comes to Wilson.

I can't disagree.

I don't necesarily disagree. The funny thing is, in the beginning, he did ride the LOB and Beast. Which was fine, he was still young. But later on? Man, that 5 and 1 finish to get into the playoffs in 16 or 17? That was amazing. It might have actually been better than the five game start last year. The fact that it just didn't sit with Pet Carroll will forever make me wonder what the fuck is wrong with Carroll. I want to walk up to him, shake his hand and say "what's your deal?"

[Michael K.]

Brown has, one year left, correct? What is the team's motivation for extending a guy his age? Again, I understand we are in big trouble this year, but is that Brown's only leverage? He is banking on us extending a guy that will probably be done after this year, just because we don't have anyone else for this year?

Shit, we made the playoffs one year when the guy projected to start at LT was one year removed from being a college Power Forward! Give Forsythe a shot then. Of course, I say that now, and in week one when he looks like a turnstile....I might have a different opinion.

But, he is supposed to be very good in pass pro, and we are running more up tempo with the ball out quick. Is it completely impossible that Stone is the guy? Probably.

[D-train]

I am hoping that Stone fell so far just because he is so tall. I'm rooting for him. We need another late round pick to be a star.

[Sibelius Hindemith]

Brown has, one year left, correct? What is the team's motivation for extending a guy his age? Again, I understand we are in big trouble this year, but is that Brown's only leverage? He is banking on us extending a guy that will probably be done after this year, just because we don't have anyone else for this year?

Brown won't necessarily fall off a cliff. He was as good as ever last season and they should reward him with a raise for what he has done the past few seasons. I'm not saying they should give him a Shaun Alexander type deal. I would give him an extra couple mil this season and an incentive-laden extension without much guaranteed money.

[Sibelius Hindemith]

I am hoping that Stone fell so far just because he is so tall. I'm rooting for him. We need another late round pick to be a star.

I think it's the chicken legs.

[Donn Beach]

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Brown has, one year left, correct? What is the team's motivation for extending a guy his age? Again, I understand we are in big trouble this year, but is that Brown's only leverage? He is banking on us extending a guy that will probably be done after this year, just because we don't have anyone else for this year?

Brown won't necessarily fall off a cliff. He was as good as ever last season and they should reward him with a raise for what he has done the past few seasons. I'm not saying they should give him a Shaun Alexander type deal. I would give him an extra couple mil this season and an incentive-laden extension without much guaranteed money.

That's what Smith suggested, basically another contract like he has now, factoring in value of tackles has gone up

. Keeping that in mind, the two sides shouldn't have any difficulty finding a middle ground that fits into Seattle's budget and protects the team while also paying Brown the money he has more than earned in his three-plus seasons with the team. In a perfect scenario, the Seahawks would offer a similar extension to the one they gave him in 2018, tacking on up to two additional years for $12-13 million annually while guaranteeing roughly half of that money at signing.