Postmorten Seattle v NYets

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Re: Postmorten Seattle v NYets

Post by auroraave » Wed Dec 04, 2024 5:01 am

D-train wrote:
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Apparently Laumea played every snap at guard in Bradford's absence. PLayed pretty decent - noy great - but this was his first start. Perhaps the issue with seattle's interior line play is size and strength. Isn't that the knock with Haynes, too? He needs to get stronger? So, perhaps, we have the correct talent, they just are not at peak size/strength levels yet to compete - but at least they are getting reps and experience while they try to change that - which they can. I just don't think this offense is as bad as it looks at times - and really that comes down to either Grubb or players just not executing.
Maybe they should have scales and strength tests like max bench press test at the Combine so the Hawks would have known how much he weighs and how strong Haynes is. :|

Just a preposterous situation that our 3rd round pick can't beat out our close to Mr. Irrelevant pick.
Playing weight in college is not always the same as in NFL - most guys playing at the line have to bulk up at the next level - these are 21 year old kids (41 year old Bo Nix being the exception :D ) who have not all grown into the frame of a man. That may not be the problem with Seattle's line but I have heard rumblings Haynes needs to get stronger. Not hitting his ceiling this season doesn't mean he won't down the road - everyone does it at their own pace. They may suck, I don't know, but playing against the Oregon State line is not the same as playing the Steelers line. This is me holding out hope. :lol:

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Re: Postmorten Seattle v NYets

Post by auroraave » Wed Dec 04, 2024 5:04 am

trharder wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2024 3:10 am
Coming back to this thread to say this -
I was so freaked out and butt hurt at how bad the ST and offense performed, I wasn't seeing a
huge bright spot. The defense is now consistently good. very good in fact.
I was thinking the defense looked better - then reality kicked me in the groin with a grim reminder they looked good playing the Yets and the Cards.

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Re: Postmorten Seattle v NYets

Post by D-train » Wed Dec 04, 2024 5:25 am

auroraave wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2024 5:01 am
D-train wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2024 5:57 pm
auroraave wrote:
Tue Dec 03, 2024 5:06 pm
Apparently Laumea played every snap at guard in Bradford's absence. PLayed pretty decent - noy great - but this was his first start. Perhaps the issue with seattle's interior line play is size and strength. Isn't that the knock with Haynes, too? He needs to get stronger? So, perhaps, we have the correct talent, they just are not at peak size/strength levels yet to compete - but at least they are getting reps and experience while they try to change that - which they can. I just don't think this offense is as bad as it looks at times - and really that comes down to either Grubb or players just not executing.
Maybe they should have scales and strength tests like max bench press test at the Combine so the Hawks would have known how much he weighs and how strong Haynes is. :|

Just a preposterous situation that our 3rd round pick can't beat out our close to Mr. Irrelevant pick.
Playing weight in college is not always the same as in NFL - most guys playing at the line have to bulk up at the next level - these are 21 year old kids (41 year old Bo Nix being the exception :D ) who have not all grown into the frame of a man. That may not be the problem with Seattle's line but I have heard rumblings Haynes needs to get stronger. Not hitting his ceiling this season doesn't mean he won't down the road - everyone does it at their own pace. They may suck, I don't know, but playing against the Oregon State line is not the same as playing the Steelers line. This is me holding out hope. :lol:
Playing in the P12 would have been a lot better test than the shit show schedule he played against similar to this last season in college. lol

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Re: Postmorten Seattle v NYets

Post by Donn Beach » Wed Dec 04, 2024 9:03 am

If you look at the scouting reports Haynes is probably not really that far off of projections. That was, to go in the 3rd round with a 6.27 grade which is an "eventual average starter". He's described as "mean", a hard ass type, but a work in progress in terms of his technique. He showed reasonable strength at the combine. I think when they talk about power it's not actual strength, it's more a technique thing. Veteran NFL linemen can overpower him because of his lack of technique. He's up against men now.

The actual game is the tip of the iceberg the decisions are being made at practice. What I found interesting were the remarks that seemed to take issue with his practicing. I commented the other day, he might be the superior player but they are refusing to reward his poor practice habits.


This, Macdonald on why Laumea started
Macdonald likely gave away the reason why Laumea is starting over Haynes, though, without truly saying Haynes was the issue. Like other Seattle players in recent years, such as former first-round draft pick L.J. Collier, Haynes does not appear to understand that every practice is important and that he needs to take everything gravely seriously. Laumea is starting because he has been more consistent than Haynes in practice and meetings, implied Macdonald.

The coach said in his Friday press conference, "Just like you see with all (the players), there’s going to be another opportunity. You’ve got to go earn it every day in practice. That’s the message. Guys that bring it every day and show up in practice and show up in games and help us win, they’re going to play. If you take a step back, then you’ve got to be accountable."
The two areas fans have little or no grasp of are injuries and what's happening the other six days other than game day

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Post by Donn Beach » Wed Dec 04, 2024 11:58 am

The only guard they missed on that I can see was Dominic Punt that went to the 49ers I think like six picks after Haynes. Supposedly he had weak legs, difficulty maintaining body control against athletic pass rushers, and was easily knocked off balance. He's been a stud. The thing is the draft is a crap shoot. I don't think the issue was drafting Haynes. The issue is relying on the draft to fix your line. I remember the discussion here at the time, it's no big deal, just draft a guard. It's not that simple

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Re: Postmorten Seattle v NYets

Post by D-train » Wed Dec 04, 2024 1:55 pm

Donn Beach wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2024 9:03 am
If you look at the scouting reports Haynes is probably not really that far off of projections. That was, to go in the 3rd round with a 6.27 grade which is an "eventual average starter". He's described as "mean", a hard ass type, but a work in progress in terms of his technique. He showed reasonable strength at the combine. I think when they talk about power it's not actual strength, it's more a technique thing. Veteran NFL linemen can overpower him because of his lack of technique. He's up against men now.

The actual game is the tip of the iceberg the decisions are being made at practice. What I found interesting were the remarks that seemed to take issue with his practicing. I commented the other day, he might be the superior player but they are refusing to reward his poor practice habits.


This, Macdonald on why Laumea started
Macdonald likely gave away the reason why Laumea is starting over Haynes, though, without truly saying Haynes was the issue. Like other Seattle players in recent years, such as former first-round draft pick L.J. Collier, Haynes does not appear to understand that every practice is important and that he needs to take everything gravely seriously. Laumea is starting because he has been more consistent than Haynes in practice and meetings, implied Macdonald.

The coach said in his Friday press conference, "Just like you see with all (the players), there’s going to be another opportunity. You’ve got to go earn it every day in practice. That’s the message. Guys that bring it every day and show up in practice and show up in games and help us win, they’re going to play. If you take a step back, then you’ve got to be accountable."
The two areas fans have little or no grasp of are injuries and what's happening the other six days other than game day
That's awesome. Thanks.
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Re: Postmorten Seattle v NYets

Post by auroraave » Wed Dec 04, 2024 5:08 pm

D-train wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2024 1:55 pm
Donn Beach wrote:
Wed Dec 04, 2024 9:03 am
If you look at the scouting reports Haynes is probably not really that far off of projections. That was, to go in the 3rd round with a 6.27 grade which is an "eventual average starter". He's described as "mean", a hard ass type, but a work in progress in terms of his technique. He showed reasonable strength at the combine. I think when they talk about power it's not actual strength, it's more a technique thing. Veteran NFL linemen can overpower him because of his lack of technique. He's up against men now.

The actual game is the tip of the iceberg the decisions are being made at practice. What I found interesting were the remarks that seemed to take issue with his practicing. I commented the other day, he might be the superior player but they are refusing to reward his poor practice habits.


This, Macdonald on why Laumea started
Macdonald likely gave away the reason why Laumea is starting over Haynes, though, without truly saying Haynes was the issue. Like other Seattle players in recent years, such as former first-round draft pick L.J. Collier, Haynes does not appear to understand that every practice is important and that he needs to take everything gravely seriously. Laumea is starting because he has been more consistent than Haynes in practice and meetings, implied Macdonald.

The coach said in his Friday press conference, "Just like you see with all (the players), there’s going to be another opportunity. You’ve got to go earn it every day in practice. That’s the message. Guys that bring it every day and show up in practice and show up in games and help us win, they’re going to play. If you take a step back, then you’ve got to be accountable."
The two areas fans have little or no grasp of are injuries and what's happening the other six days other than game day
That's awesome. Thanks.

Yeah, this is great intel. I think Laumea will be good - I think the biggest problem with the oline is simple: lack of reps with all the same players. Injuries, Haynes not pulling his weight, all are huge contributors, IMO. Remember the first three games when tis offense looked unstoppable? I would assume DC's have tape and are adjusting, for sure, but injuries and lack of a cohesive unit due to injuries etc, are what is hampering things, IMO. Can this line play enough reps together to come together, and can Grubb make his own adjustments to counter the defenses?

Also, the biggest take aways, as always, is the draft - like it was mentioned above, it is a total crap shoot - always. No one knows shit, that is why I am rarely critical of it - there is zero ability to know who will succeed and who won't. Penny is the prime example.

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Re: Postmorten Seattle v NYets

Post by Donn Beach » Wed Dec 04, 2024 5:38 pm

Yeah exactly, cohesion, that's what JS has said is important, more than actual talent. But season after season he seems to churn out different combinations
"I think cohesion is really, when I look at offensive lines, and the really good offensive lines that I have been around, that cohesion and being able to play together more so than the pure talent of a guy, that is really quick or super flexible or rates specifically in an athletic manner. So to me it's about finding that right combination and having those guys who are smart and tough and reliable enough to work with coach Cable, and just work as a group in unison, and be able to work with all of the adjustments that are coming and the blitzes and the adjustments in the running game.''

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