Five worst 10-pass debuts in Seahawk history

[Michael K.]

How is it bullshit? Did they not play in the same game, for the same team, against the same opponent? You are trying to blame the play calling and supporting cast. You will have to remind me when that all changed when Geno left, because I must have missed that?

You have no basis to back your statement, but what I am saying is bullshit? Fine, debate it with something. I realize he hadn't played yet this year, but it wasn't his first game ever as a pro. He couldn't have looked less prepared if he actually wanted to. How is that anyone's fault but his? I don't care if you agree with me, but it would sure be nice if you had anything to say to refute my comments besides saying it's bullshit and I am ranting.

I don't think it's ranting at all. It was pointed out that this was the worst QBing performance in Seattle history. Knowing some of the terrible QBs to wear the uniform, I don't think that is a good thing. But somehow, it was issues outside of the QB, even though the other QB had much better numbers. We get it, you hate Geno. I'm no Geno fan either, but Sam sure as shit aint the answer. That was as bad as it gets. Again, refute anything I said. Tell me how one QB can go 15 of 19, leave the game, the other one can go 5 of 14, and it isn't the QB's fault?

No one said Grubb is fantastic or that the O Line is good. What is being said is one QB managed to throw it 19 times with only 4 incompletions. The was 5 of 14. Hard to blame the coaches, play calling or supporting cast for that.

Yes, Sam Howell has won games as an NFL QB before. Many have. I can't think of many that regressed as bad as Howell has. Completely lost. I don't see this team beating the Vikings, Bears or Rams with him at QB. So I stand by my statement. This team would not win another game with that man at QB.

[douche]

Sorry, if you watched that game and left thinking this team would win a game the rest of the season with Sam Howell at QB? Than we are just going to have to disagree.

As for this being because he hadn't played this year? Again, the guy started 17 games last year. Sure, he might not be that comfortable running this offense, but he looked like he had never seen an NFL defense before!

I'm not defending Howell and I don't think we would win a game this season with him at the helm. But to rip on the backup for a game that was already lost doesn't make sense to me. Sure, his stat line was terrible, but how prepared was he? Macdonald himself admitted that they were out coached. That tells me that they weren't prepared. Which means that Howell wasn't prepared.

I also mentioned this earlier and was wondering what everyone else was thinking... It appeared that the Pack's D line raised their level of play when Howell came into the game. The guy had no time to set and scan the field. Or was I imagining that?

But back to the beginning of the thread... yes, he was awful. Just not sure how much of that is on him. Last time I checked, it's a team sport and everyone has a job to do.

[Donn Beach]

There is such a thing as being rusty, remember RWs first start against the jets. People were certainly ready to write him off In that first half.

"I thought he was excellent," coach Mike Tomlin said. "I thought he got better as the game went on. But I'm not surprised by that. It has been a while since he's played some ball, but I thought he settled in, knocked the rust off and distributed the ball around and played well

[trharder]

I'm not defending Howell and I don't think we would win a game this season with him at the helm. But to rip on the backup for a game that was already lost doesn't make sense to me. Sure, his stat line was terrible, but how prepared was he? Macdonald himself admitted that they were out coached. That tells me that they weren't prepared. Which means that Howell wasn't prepared.
I also mentioned this earlier and was wondering what everyone else was thinking... It appeared that the Pack's D line raised their level of play when Howell came into the game. The guy had no time to set and scan the field. Or was I imagining that?
But back to the beginning of the thread... yes, he was awful. Just not sure how much of that is on him. Last time I checked, it's a team sport and everyone has a job to do.

This is the correct take.
Of course they "raised their level of play" when Howell came in. I did address that earlier. Howell comes in cold of the bench and instead of
playing prevent like some teams do with a lead, they sent the dogs for the kill. When the Seahawks are behind, GB knows they'll likely have
to pass as well. This is basic knowledge of football and using your eyes while watching a game. It's not "all on him", as I said before, I've seen
no effort by MM to give Howell some reps even when it made sense to save Geno for another day. The O-line seemed to not even try as well.

Just like the brilliant Monday night game by Drew Lock didn't mean he was a legit NFL starter, this shitshow by Howell doesn't prove he's
the worst QB to ever enter a regular season Seahawk game. That's just dumb.

[Michael K.]

So, you just disagreed with the way I typed we wouldn’t win a game with him at QB? What ever. The guy is a professional, and he looked far from one Sunday Night. But God forbid the guy making millions of dollars get criticized in a public forum read by about 25 people.

No one said it was all on him, but one guy sure looked a shit ton better in the same damn situation. Statistically speaking and what my eyes saw? That was the worst QB play by a Seahawk. Sure is that I can recall, A few reps earlier in the season wouldn’t have helped. Jarred Goff threw like four TD passes in the second half, in a game they lead by three or four scores at the half. Go find me a backup QB that has played meaningful snaps without the starter being hurt, it doesn’t happen. Blaming MM for this is stupid.

[trharder]

So, you just disagreed with the way I typed we wouldn’t win a game with him at QB? What ever. The guy is a professional, and he looked far from one Sunday Night. But God forbid the guy making millions of dollars get criticized in a public forum read by about 25 people.
No one said it was all on him, but one guy sure looked a shit ton better in the same damn situation. Statistically speaking and what my eyes saw? That was the worst QB play by a Seahawk. Sure is that I can recall, A few reps earlier in the season wouldn’t have helped. Jarred Goff threw like four TD passes in the second half, in a game they lead by three or four scores at the half. Go find me a backup QB that has played meaningful snaps without the starter being hurt, it doesn’t happen. Blaming MM for this is stupid.

aww sorry. It's never the same situation. never.

[Michael K.]

So, you just disagreed with the way I typed we wouldn’t win a game with him at QB? What ever. The guy is a professional, and he looked far from one Sunday Night. But God forbid the guy making millions of dollars get criticized in a public forum read by about 25 people.
No one said it was all on him, but one guy sure looked a shit ton better in the same damn situation. Statistically speaking and what my eyes saw? That was the worst QB play by a Seahawk. Sure is that I can recall, A few reps earlier in the season wouldn’t have helped. Jarred Goff threw like four TD passes in the second half, in a game they lead by three or four scores at the half. Go find me a backup QB that has played meaningful snaps without the starter being hurt, it doesn’t happen. Blaming MM for this is stupid.

aww sorry. It's never the same situation. never.

You are impossible. One guy looked like a mediocre to below average starting QB. Then another guy came into the game and looked like a backup HS kid. But yeah, zero chance we can compare the two. Better give the guy that played maybe the worst game of QB IN franchise Hustory a few more chances to prove himself.

If they go into next year thunking Hiwell is even a legitimat backup it will only be because he is under contract. He is terrible.

[trharder]

So, you just disagreed with the way I typed we wouldn’t win a game with him at QB? What ever. The guy is a professional, and he looked far from one Sunday Night. But God forbid the guy making millions of dollars get criticized in a public forum read by about 25 people.
No one said it was all on him, but one guy sure looked a shit ton better in the same damn situation. Statistically speaking and what my eyes saw? That was the worst QB play by a Seahawk. Sure is that I can recall, A few reps earlier in the season wouldn’t have helped. Jarred Goff threw like four TD passes in the second half, in a game they lead by three or four scores at the half. Go find me a backup QB that has played meaningful snaps without the starter being hurt, it doesn’t happen. Blaming MM for this is stupid.

aww sorry. It's never the same situation. never.

You are impossible. One guy looked like a mediocre to below average starting QB. Then another guy came into the game and looked like a backup HS kid. But yeah, zero chance we can compare the two. Better give the guy that played maybe the worst game of QB IN franchise Hustory a few more chances to prove himself.

If they go into next year thunking Hiwell is even a legitimat backup it will only be because he is under contract. He is terrible.

that's what I'm thunking too.

[DavidGee24]

Better give the guy that played maybe the worst game of QB IN franchise Hustory a few more chances to prove himself.

For these circumstances, yes. However, Jim Zorn put up 5 or 6 stinkers that were even worse than this. The first game I attended was the minus-7 yard shitbomb against the Lambs in 1979 where Zorn went 2-17 for 25 yards and got sacked 6 times. What's crazy is the Hawks had a top-5 offense that season and that was the game after the Efren Herrera game.

In Zorn's last 2 starts he went 5-24 for 15 yards, with an INT and 4 sacks before Chuck Knox handed the keys to Dave Krieg.

[DavidGee24]

Better give the guy that played maybe the worst game of QB IN franchise Hustory a few more chances to prove himself.

For these circumstances, yes. However, as far as a QB taking a dump in any given situation is concerned, Jim Zorn put up 5 or 6 stinkers that were even worse than this. The first game I attended was the minus-7 yard shitbomb against the Lambs in 1979 where Zorn went 2-17 for 25 yards and got sacked 6 times. What's crazy is the Hawks had a top-5 offense that season and that was the game after the Efren Herrera game.

In Zorn's last 2 starts he went 5-24 for 15 yards, with an INT and 4 sacks before Chuck Knox handed the keys to Dave Krieg.