What's a Rip Move?

[Sibelius Hindemith]

So if the pass-rusher moves his inside arm in an upward motion to try to break free of a block, then it's okay for the offensive lineman to grab and hold onto him or his jersey? If that is correct, what is the reasoning behind this rule?

I would guess because they feel allowing the defensive player to use his arm to break free is an unfair advantage

It just seems like another technique to get by the o-lineman, one that might have come about as a way of defeating a hold.

[Donn Beach]

I don't know about being violent but the reason for a rule like that Is to even the competition

[trharder]

I'm not talking about forums, I'm talking about people with a connection to the sport. Give me some links to reliable comments, I'd be interested

That's the extent to what I found
https://x.com/TheRealForno/status/1871060164486533530

Thank you.
I didn't imagine this shit. I still say it's a hold because often when you see O-line have the guy around the neck it's flagged
as a hold. But apparently, there's a case to be made to the contrary. They never asked Gene Skeletore or one of those
other fuck retired officials for their opinion. It was certainly a big play in the game and worth discussion.

[Sibelius Hindemith]

Like this, complaining about the face mask

https://www.sportskeeda.com/nfl/news-bu ... winning-td

What an annoying website. Two videos and neither of them shows the play the article is supposed to be about. And ads all over the place.

[trharder]

It just seems like another technique to get by the o-lineman, one that might have come about as a way of defeating a hold.

I even said that earlier. It seems like a good move to get out of the lineman holding you.
A chicken of the egg type question. But there is an ambiguous rule there nonetheless.
Donn Beach seems to be interpreting as; if the defender does the rip move, the O-lineman is allowed to hold.
I'm more inclined to interpret it as; if the defender does the rip move, it puts the O-lineman into (or what looks like)
a hold, and therefore shouldn't be called.

That's all I have to say at this point. lol.

[Donn Beach]

It's not about appearances, it's an exemption to the rule

[Michael K.]

It's not about appearances, it's an exemption to the rule

So, a D Lineman does a rip move and the O Lineman can then pull him to the ground by his waste? I mean, if it is an "exemption", then why don't O Lineman just dry hump a D Lineman to the ground every time they use the move? If it is in fact an exemption? That's the stupidest shit I've ever heard of from a league that specializes in stupid shit.

[Donn Beach]

Then there is the second holding exception which involves specifically defensive line technique. Holding will not be called “if during a defensive charge, a defensive player uses a ‘rip’ technique that puts an offensive player in a position that would normally be holding.” Rule 12, Section 1, Article 3, Note 1.i.

It doesn't say what appears to be holding, it says puts them into what normally would be holding, that's the rule

[trharder]

It's not about appearances, it's an exemption to the rule

So, a D Lineman does a rip move and the O Lineman can then pull him to the ground by his waste? I mean, if it is an "exemption", then why don't O Lineman just dry hump a D Lineman to the ground every time they use the move? If it is in fact an exemption? That's the stupidest shit I've ever heard of from a league that specializes in stupid shit.

I'm sure its a bad idea to be on Donn's side of these discussions, but if you read that article, if the defender is
taken off their feet, its a hold again. (paraphrasing). So, no. Your hyperbolic example won't fly. per the rule.

[Sibelius Hindemith]

Then there is the second holding exception which involves specifically defensive line technique. Holding will not be called “if during a defensive charge, a defensive player uses a ‘rip’ technique that puts an offensive player in a position that would normally be holding.” Rule 12, Section 1, Article 3, Note 1.i.

It doesn't say what appears to be holding, it says puts them into what normally would be holding, that's the rule

What position are they talking about? Facing the side of the defender? That would make sense if the defender's rip move resulted in their arms locking together.