Who's Your Pick At #5

Who's Your Pick At #5

Poll ended at Wed Apr 26, 2023 6:20 pm

QB Bryce Young
0
No votes
DT Jalen Carter
9
33%
Edge/OLB Will Anderson Jr
6
22%
QB Will Levis
0
No votes
QB CJ Stroud
1
4%
QB Anthony Richardson
5
19%
CB Devon Witherspoon
0
No votes
Edge/OLB Tyree Wilson
3
11%
Edge/DE Myles Murphy
0
No votes
Trade Down (Please feel free to write-in your TD pick)
3
11%
 
Total votes: 27

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Re: Who's Your Pick At #5

Post by Cascade Kid » Thu Apr 20, 2023 3:40 pm

SeattleAddict wrote:
Thu Apr 20, 2023 2:27 am
Cascade Kid wrote:
Thu Apr 20, 2023 12:02 am


It's out there that Houston are not just taking calls but actually making calls and not getting interest in #2. And it is doubtful they want to move back to #7 because it might take them out of either Anderson or Wilson. Houston has a major need at Edge so Anderson makes sense, and they might be more interested in banking on Mills driving them into another top 5 pick so they can take a chance at QB in the talented 2024 field. This move could really turn the Texans' franchise around.

Furthermore, since Houston is not getting any good bites from teams at #2, I doubt AZ is getting any reasonable bites at #3. All 4 QBs have their major imperfections and one blue chip DT has more question marks than the Riddler. Nobody is chomping at the bit for #2 or #3.
annnnnnnd THIS is why teams feed a bunch of bullshit information about who they're picking. If you let it be known who you are going to take, other teams can plan around it, and there's no reason to trade with you (unless that guy is the guy you want). It's why Houston is spreading the rumor they aren't going to take a QB at 2 - because everybody knew what they were going to do. It'd be ridiculous for them NOT to take a QB. It's also why the Seahawks have been so public about scouting the QBs, yet the fact Will Anderson was in Seattle today got no mention.

JS/PC are playing chess and Houston and Arizona are playing chinese checkers (can't even give them credit for regular checkers, because they're so bad at it nobody knows WTF they're playing).

With Bryce Young likely going #1 overall, it is not too far fetched that Houston takes Anderson and here's some data bits to chew on that doesn't fully rely on intuition... First, they just fired their 2nd head coach since this GM drafted Davis Mills just two years ago, and since then has hired Demeco Ryans away from the 49ers who just spent all six of his years under Shanahan. Second, Bryce Young isn't going to fall to #2 which would've changed their minds drastically enough to move away from Mills this year, but if he does fall to #2 then then they will draft QB. Third, Demeco Ryans has been quoted multiple times about only one QB and that has been Bryce Young, but no references to any other QBs at all. And lastly, the Texans defense is just as bad as its offense, and they have a major hole at OLB. I will add a twist though, I wouldn't put it past Ryans to draft Will Levis based on Levis' intellegence, his S2 score, and his physical abilities.

It is not "ridiculous" for them to draft a non-QB, especially if that non-QB is Anderson.

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Re: Who's Your Pick At #5

Post by Cascade Kid » Fri Apr 21, 2023 6:32 pm

Sexymarinersfan wrote:
Thu Apr 20, 2023 5:14 am


I know. I can't see them picking Witherspoon either. It's gonna be a QB or DL. I don't think they move off the number 5 spot though. There's too much value up near the top, and they need a game changer, not extra mediocre pick players.
100%!

There's logic to needing at least a good defense, at least a good offense, a decent QB and a good special teams to win a Super Bowl. But if you want repeated success, well that takes someone special under center.

A top 10 QB will fool you into thinking you are better than you truly are. But once you get into the wild card or divisional round and get stomp, reality sets in. You need a franchise changer under center otherwise you have yourself a Flacco, Rivers, Stafford, Romo, or Cousins.

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Re: Who's Your Pick At #5

Post by D-train » Sat Apr 22, 2023 4:30 pm

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Re: Who's Your Pick At #5

Post by Cascade Kid » Sat Apr 22, 2023 5:34 pm

D-train wrote:
Sat Apr 22, 2023 4:30 pm
Kancey has the combine 40yd dash record for DT at 4.67 just edging Darnold's 4.68. Both are Pitt products.

Another interesting note about Kancey, he hasn't have one team visit yet and nothing scheduled. He is very well spoken and it appears team already know what they will get from Calijah Kancey. I have him coming to Seattle at #20 to rotate with Reed at DT. Dre'mont Jones and Calijah Kancey would be some great DL bookends on passing downs. Add a solid anchor at NT along with the changes made at LB, this defense will go from very bad to very good IMO.

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Re: Who's Your Pick At #5

Post by SeattleAddict » Sat Apr 22, 2023 6:12 pm

Kancey is an interesting prospect - he's fast because he's tiny by interior linemen standards (huge man by regular standards), and I don't think he fits in the Seahawks scheme, and I'm not sure his skills will translate against the bigger, faster, more skilled NFL O-Lines.

He's kind of a one-trick pony - real good pass rusher, but a liability against the run - so I think he'd do better in a 4-3, next to a big run-stuffing 330 lb roadblock. Not saying this for sure, 'cause the kid has star talent, just that I don't think the Seahawks are the right spot for him.

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Re: Who's Your Pick At #5

Post by Cascade Kid » Sat Apr 22, 2023 6:51 pm

SeattleAddict wrote:
Sat Apr 22, 2023 6:12 pm
Kancey is an interesting prospect - he's fast because he's tiny by interior linemen standards (huge man by regular standards), and I don't think he fits in the Seahawks scheme, and I'm not sure his skills will translate against the bigger, faster, more skilled NFL O-Lines.

He's kind of a one-trick pony - real good pass rusher, but a liability against the run - so I think he'd do better in a 4-3, next to a big run-stuffing 330 lb roadblock. Not saying this for sure, 'cause the kid has star talent, just that I don't think the Seahawks are the right spot for him.
I look at the DL, and the front seven for that matter, as a program with dynamic pieces rather than set schemes with fixed physical attributes and needs. Don't get me wrong, there will always be meaty anchor type and speed/power types rotating across the DL. Plus there will be a need to rotate Dre'mont Jones, and it would be great if there wasn't a massive sacrificial dropoff in doing so.

Kancey being 6'-1" isn't all that small, but his lack of height and short arms relative to those on the line does give him an underneath leverage advantage. Furthermore, though he's not an elite run stopper (but how many are there that are also great pass-rushers?) he is very good at making plays against the run, and he's far from being a liability. In the 3-4, Kancey's main run responsibility is going to be B gap as the ILB will be responsible for the A gaps.

As for the B gap responsibility from an OT and RB perspective, potentially having Kancey on one side and Jones on the other, as well as Taylor and Nwosu leaning the far edge along with a safety crowding the box, a OT and RB are going to have to make some serious responsibly decisions quickly. The OTs and RB would have to be instantly committed due to the speed on the DL on how to handle the B and handle the Wide responsibilty, especially on passing downs.

In my eyes Kancey is a great fit on the DL and front seven program. And I very much disagree in him being a "one-trick pony".

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Re: Who's Your Pick At #5

Post by D-train » Sat Apr 22, 2023 7:00 pm

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Re: Who's Your Pick At #5

Post by Seattle or Bust » Sat Apr 22, 2023 7:25 pm

Kancey isn't built like a shit brick house like Donald is/was. Doesn't have near the anchor. Also doesn't have the generational stats to back up the comp.

To me, you either draft Anderson or Carter at 5... trade back from 20 to the mid 20's for a late 3rd... take your pick of a nice DT/Edge/CB/WR at your mid 20 pick, early 2nd, late 2nd. Lets say they trade w. the Giants get 25 and late 3 (89).

If Carter:

5. Jalen Carter DT
25. Nolan Smith EDGE
37. Kelee Ringo CB
52. Josh Downs WR

If Anderson:

5. Will Anderson EDGE
25. Jaxson Smith Njigba WR
37. Kelee Ringo CB
52. Mazi Smith DT

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Re: Who's Your Pick At #5

Post by SeattleAddict » Sat Apr 22, 2023 8:45 pm

Seattle or Bust wrote:
Sat Apr 22, 2023 7:25 pm
Kancey isn't built like a shit brick house like Donald is/was. Doesn't have near the anchor. Also doesn't have the generational stats to back up the comp.

To me, you either draft Anderson or Carter at 5... trade back from 20 to the mid 20's for a late 3rd... take your pick of a nice DT/Edge/CB/WR at your mid 20 pick, early 2nd, late 2nd. Lets say they trade w. the Giants get 25 and late 3 (89).

If Carter:

5. Jalen Carter DT
25. Nolan Smith EDGE
37. Kelee Ringo CB
52. Josh Downs WR

If Anderson:

5. Will Anderson EDGE
25. Jaxson Smith Njigba WR
37. Kelee Ringo CB
52. Mazi Smith DT
I like these a lot. Not sold on Ringo - I watched him several times and he got beat a lot - but everything else I'm totally down with. I'm OK with Ringo, but I'd replace him with JMS at 37. Shoring up the O-line should be a priority, IMO.

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Re: Who's Your Pick At #5

Post by ddraig » Sat Apr 22, 2023 9:04 pm

#5 - Carter or Anderson. (prefer Carter)
20 - OL - Guard or Center.
37 - DT if we don't get Carter.
52 - Best defender available.

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