Post Mortem: Hawks v Cards

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Re: Post Mortem: Hawks v Cards

Post by D-train » Tue Nov 26, 2024 10:41 pm

According to most NFL analytics, the average quarterback dropback in the NFL is around 2.4 to 2.5 seconds. This refers to the time between the snap of the ball and when the quarterback releases a pass or is forced out of the pocket.
He held the ball for 4 seconds here:
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Re: Post Mortem: Hawks v Cards

Post by Donn Beach » Tue Nov 26, 2024 10:47 pm

D-train wrote:
Tue Nov 26, 2024 10:41 pm
According to most NFL analytics, the average quarterback dropback in the NFL is around 2.4 to 2.5 seconds. This refers to the time between the snap of the ball and when the quarterback releases a pass or is forced out of the pocket.
He held the ball for 4 seconds here:
You're blaming Geno for not getting rid of the ball quicker in that situation? The exhibit is of bad blocking. Geno isn't dancing around for four seconds waiting for a receiver to come open

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Re: Post Mortem: Hawks v Cards

Post by D-train » Tue Nov 26, 2024 11:24 pm

I timed it again and it is almost 4 seconds. The average is 2-2.5. If it is more than three he needs to get rid of it if nobody is open and the pocket is collapsing.
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Re: Post Mortem: Hawks v Cards

Post by Donn Beach » Tue Nov 26, 2024 11:47 pm

That to me that is irrelevant, the pocket is collapsing as soon as the ball is hiked. He doesn't have a chance to look down field. When you talk about 2-3 seconds to pass. It's 2-3 seconds after the ball is snapped with a stable pocket and the QB scanning his receivers, that's the general window of opportunity. If he tried throwing the ball in this situation he'd have no idea who would be in position to catch it, it been up for grabs. That to me would the classic poor decision that leads to an interception. I rather him just taking the sack

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Re: Post Mortem: Hawks v Cards

Post by Sibelius Hindemith » Tue Nov 26, 2024 11:53 pm

D-train wrote:
Tue Nov 26, 2024 11:24 pm
I timed it again and it is almost 4 seconds. The average is 2-2.5. If it is more than three he needs to get rid of it if nobody is open and the pocket is collapsing.
Well, i guess 3.5 is almost 4 lol. And he had to back up and reset after just 2 seconds. Think you're being a bit harsh. Maybe Geno should have read the situation and audibled to a quick pass, i don't know.

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Re: Post Mortem: Hawks v Cards

Post by Donn Beach » Wed Nov 27, 2024 12:12 am

I think that stat is used as an average. Generally geno gets rid of the ball pretty quickly
Smith’s average time-to-throw is 2.73 seconds, which among all starting quarterbacks is on the quicker side, albeit not especially quick.

Lastly, you might be wondering if Geno is inviting a lot of his own pressure. That does not appear to be the case. Smith is near the bottom of the NFL in percentage of QB-caused pressures.

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Re: Post Mortem: Hawks v Cards

Post by D-train » Wed Nov 27, 2024 12:36 am

Donn Beach wrote:
Tue Nov 26, 2024 11:47 pm
That to me that is irrelevant, the pocket is collapsing as soon as the ball is hiked. He doesn't have a chance to look down field. When you talk about 2-3 seconds to pass. It's 2-3 seconds after the ball is snapped with a stable pocket and the QB scanning his receivers, that's the general window of opportunity. If he tried throwing the ball in this situation he'd have no idea who would be in position to catch it, it been up for grabs. That to me would the classic poor decision that leads to an interception. I rather him just taking the sack
I have no idea how you can watch that vid and come to that conclusion. He steps back not once, not twice but three times. The blocking was shitty but he had at least two chances to throw it away. I find myself yelling throw it multiple times during a single play about a dozen times a game.
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Re: Post Mortem: Hawks v Cards

Post by D-train » Wed Nov 27, 2024 12:38 am

Sibelius Hindemith wrote:
Tue Nov 26, 2024 11:53 pm
D-train wrote:
Tue Nov 26, 2024 11:24 pm
I timed it again and it is almost 4 seconds. The average is 2-2.5. If it is more than three he needs to get rid of it if nobody is open and the pocket is collapsing.
Well, i guess 3.5 is almost 4 lol. And he had to back up and reset after just 2 seconds. Think you're being a bit harsh. Maybe Geno should have read the situation and audibled to a quick pass, i don't know.
He was going backwards so I don't expect him to complete a pass but he was unimpeded to let on rip out of bounds....
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Re: Post Mortem: Hawks v Cards

Post by douche » Wed Nov 27, 2024 12:50 am

Offensive line woes aside, it makes a person wonder if the play-calling just isn't there. The ball should be snapped and out almost immediately if the play design is correct. Couldn't they run some version of the West Coast Offense (short, horizontal passing routes in lieu of running plays to "stretch out" defenses, opening up the potential for long runs or long passes)?

Or maybe I'm just living in the past. :D

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Re: Post Mortem: Hawks v Cards

Post by D-train » Wed Nov 27, 2024 12:56 am

I don't understand how Grubb went from being so imaginative with UW to running it up the middle every time on 3rd and 4th and short.

That end around to Odunze in the Apple cup was brilliant. Why did he shelve all those type of plays???
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