Redskins are changing their name

[Donn Beach]

You brought up the civil rights movement of the 60s, to me this is the same sort of struggle. Growth is stressful, back then there was all sorts of criticism of the movement, MLK being labeled a commie, that he was rocking the boat, expecting too much. In the end, everybody kicks and screams but there is growth and the country continues to prospers, its the nature of bearing grievances, nothing new under the sun

[ThePro]

Confederate statues is one thing but you have a US senator saying she is open to taking down statues of George Washington and CK saying yesterday was a holiday celebrating white supremacy. If anyone thinks either of those will improve race issues in the country, they are insane.

Also saying that it has NEVER been addressed is just flat out inaccurate and completely ignores with MLK and the Civil rights movement. When slaves were released there were hundreds of laws in place to keep them as segregated second class citizens. There is literally not a single one of those laws still in place and discrimination and segregation are rightfully illegal. In a country of 330 million people, of course you are going to have millions of racist freaks but Systemic implies a SYSTEM, laws or Policies that condone, validate, justify or legitimize racism.

Yes, sadly there are racists in America but I have yet to be given an example of systemic racism in 2020. Yet systemic is the new catch phrase just like climate change is an "Existential" threat with most of the people saying it not even knowing the meaning of the word.

The Criminal justice system is Systemic racism . If the Governor is a white supremacist, the mayor, the DA , the
chief of police and most of the sergeants and most ofthe officers are either white supremacists or enable white supremacy . That's Systemic racism There are more governments that follow that model than not. . A white person can commit the same exact crime as someone black in the same area and receive an entirely different sentence. Blacks represent the highest percentage of the incarcerated That is systemic racism. There is a wealth gap blacks were deprived and prevented access to programs that allowed generational wealth in your family. This is systemic racism. There is an employment gap . Businesses are owned by whites . There is a discrepancy in hiring and promotions. Blacks with a college degree earn 10K less than a white person that dropped out of high school . That is systemic racism. Nearly all media outlets are owned by whites. They can make the national narrative whatever they want it to be. That's systemic racism. Highest percentage of Americans in poverty are black. That's systemic racism.
Gentrification is Systemic racism . The banks refused to give black homeowners loans and/or refinance (redlining) . And then sold the same properties to whites. The Banks, the government were in in it. That's systemic racism.

There are studies that show a bias/ discrimination vs blacks in Healthcare. That's systemic racism.

Education . The same bias that blacks face with the criminal justice system can be found in studies by the Dept of Education. If the Superintendent is racist same with the principal, the vice principal and the teachers. That's systemic racism. There are more school districts following that model than not.

This country was literally founded on systemic racism . All the so called "founding fathers" were not only despicable human beings. They were all slave owners. It is written in the Constitution that slaves counted as 3/5ths of a man. The National Anthem had an extra verse about killing slaves. You think all this stuff just went away? Its 2020 and people are still clinging to the Confederate flag and statues of Confederates.

Systemic racism is as real as it gets.

I am not going to go point by point and I think some of that exists to some extent and some is exaggerated but all of that is either illegal or not completely due to racism. My point is that minds have to be changed instead of laws or polices and you aren't going to do it by destroying the country, and making innocent people feel guilty about sins of the past. That will only breed further animosity and will perpetuate racism vs. minimizing it.

The laws and policies on the books now need to be enforced and upheld before you add new ones. As far as destroying the country. That seems to be the only thing that works. As far as making innocent people feel guilty about the past. I'm more concerned about the sins of the present and the future. We do nothing and yet racism flourishes and doesn't go away. Pointing it out and making a stand against it is the only way to stop it.

[D-train]

You brought up the civil rights movement of the 60s, to me this is the same sort of struggle. Growth is stressful, back then there was all sorts of criticism of the movement, MLK being labeled a commie, that he was rocking the boat, expecting too much. In the end, everybody kicks and screams but there is growth and the country continues to prospers, its the nature of bearing grievances, nothing new under the sun

Except he managed it all with peaceful protests.

[Donn Beach]

he promoted peaceful protest, but he didn't control events, ever hear of the Watts riots, or the Watts rebellion as some like to characterize it, Detroit? the black panthers?...the sixties were pretty violent, pretty confrontational actually

[D-train]

he promoted peaceful protest, but he didn't control events, ever hear of the Watts riots, Detroit? the black panthers?...the sixties were pretty violent, pretty confrontational actually

Sure and I give about 99% of the credit for all of the positive change to him and his followers vs. the violence.

[Donn Beach]

you can give it all you want, but that doesn't make it true, the violence of the sixties was as relevant as anything else, change comes from all sorts of directions.

speaking of the Detroit riots, the Kerner report...: "What white Americans have never fully understood but what the Negro can never forget — is that white society is deeply implicated in the ghetto. White institutions created it, white institutions maintain it, and white society condones it."...Sure aspects have been co-oped, modified, but it hasn't changed, what they are talking about still needs to be challenged if the country is to progress

[ThePro]

You brought up the civil rights movement of the 60s, to me this is the same sort of struggle. Growth is stressful, back then there was all sorts of criticism of the movement, MLK being labeled a commie, that he was rocking the boat, expecting too much. In the end, everybody kicks and screams but there is growth and the country continues to prospers, its the nature of bearing grievances, nothing new under the sun

Except he managed it all with peaceful protests.

MLK was only effective because Malcolm X was the alternative. Not a fan of him .

[Donn Beach]

have you read the autobiography? He was a brilliant man...

Malcolm X always wanted to meet King, but King never responded to Malcolm's repeated requests for a debate. After a hearing about the Civil Rights Act in Washington in 1964, they finally met face to face. Their meeting only lasted a minute, but the images that captured them side by side, both men smiling, became a strong symbol of reconciliation between two stridently different visions of the civil rights cause.

"Those two people Martin and Malcolm, symbolized something that is in all African Americans. Each of us has a little bit of Martin and a little bit of Malcolm in us. Malcolm represents that Blackness in us, that sense that we don't want white people messing with us. Malcolm represents that fire, that fight that refuses to let anybody define who we are. King represents our desire to get along with everybody, including whites. Our desire to want to create a society for all people, defined by non-violence, love and care for all people in the society," says Cone.

On February 21, 1965, Malcolm X was assassinated in New York, bringing an end to one of the most famous political debates in history.

Martin Luther King gave his public reaction a few days later: "I think Malcolm X did serve a role, I think he played a role in pointing out the problem, calling attention to it, but his great problem was an inability to emerge with a solution. He had slogans that were catchy and that people listened to, but I don't think he ever pointed out the solution to the problem

[D-train]

have you read the autobiography? He was a brilliant man...

Malcolm X always wanted to meet King, but King never responded to Malcolm's repeated requests for a debate. After a hearing about the Civil Rights Act in Washington in 1964, they finally met face to face. Their meeting only lasted a minute, but the images that captured them side by side, both men smiling, became a strong symbol of reconciliation between two stridently different visions of the civil rights cause.

"Those two people Martin and Malcolm, symbolized something that is in all African Americans. Each of us has a little bit of Martin and a little bit of Malcolm in us. Malcolm represents that Blackness in us, that sense that we don't want white people messing with us. Malcolm represents that fire, that fight that refuses to let anybody define who we are. King represents our desire to get along with everybody, including whites. Our desire to want to create a society for all people, defined by non-violence, love and care for all people in the society," says Cone.

On February 21, 1965, Malcolm X was assassinated in New York, bringing an end to one of the most famous political debates in history.

Martin Luther King gave his public reaction a few days later: "I think Malcolm X did serve a role, I think he played a role in pointing out the problem, calling attention to it, but his great problem was an inability to emerge with a solution. He had slogans that were catchy and that people listened to, but I don't think he ever pointed out the solution to the problem

Guessing he wouldn't be fan of Joe "you ain't black if you don't vote for me" Biden

Back then it was pretty clear what needed to be done. Change the discriminatory racist laws and those that mandated segregation. Thankfully that happened. Today, it is just "don't be racist" I haven't heard any "solutions" other than that so perhaps we have a lot of Malcolms but no MLKs.

[ThePro]

have you read the autobiography? He was a brilliant man...

Malcolm X always wanted to meet King, but King never responded to Malcolm's repeated requests for a debate. After a hearing about the Civil Rights Act in Washington in 1964, they finally met face to face. Their meeting only lasted a minute, but the images that captured them side by side, both men smiling, became a strong symbol of reconciliation between two stridently different visions of the civil rights cause.

"Those two people Martin and Malcolm, symbolized something that is in all African Americans. Each of us has a little bit of Martin and a little bit of Malcolm in us. Malcolm represents that Blackness in us, that sense that we don't want white people messing with us. Malcolm represents that fire, that fight that refuses to let anybody define who we are. King represents our desire to get along with everybody, including whites. Our desire to want to create a society for all people, defined by non-violence, love and care for all people in the society," says Cone.

On February 21, 1965, Malcolm X was assassinated in New York, bringing an end to one of the most famous political debates in history.

Martin Luther King gave his public reaction a few days later: "I think Malcolm X did serve a role, I think he played a role in pointing out the problem, calling attention to it, but his great problem was an inability to emerge with a solution. He had slogans that were catchy and that people listened to, but I don't think he ever pointed out the solution to the problem

Yes. And I made it clear how I felt.