Mariner Talk Chat Forum

I just have not witnessed many pressures this season at all. Obvious turn your ears back situations and nothing. I think we have a good front 7. The LBs I like all of them Wagner, Kendricks, and KJ are all good.
The line should be good.
We have Reed back who was last years bust out player. A tackle with double digit stats is huge.
Clowney disrupts and is a freak but has not shown much against the QB.
Ansah hasn't done squat yet.
Ford, and Jefferson are both coming into their own as individuals.
There are other good depth parts like 1st Rd. Pick LJ Collier I have not noticed which is concerning. The others on the line Woods, Green, Jackson have all made good plays as depth rotation.

I see a unit that should have multiple sacks-pressures every game. In the game against Tampa I watched Seattle Blitz multiple times with some success (Bobby's sack), and a few other effective hurries. I was pleased but clearly they don't play that way as a rule and tend to telegraph who is coming from where.

I think I want more blitz. I want exotic schemes. I think Clowney is athletic enough to be a decoy rush and drop to zone / or tight end coverage. And wow how good was Vita Vea UW product today.

I have read somewhere where the system Seattle ran for year was based on HOF Corner, HOF Safety X2, HOF MLB, and good not great ends providing pressure: Bennette, Clark, Clemons, Irvin, Avril.

It seems to me what we are missing is E.T.! Earl was great on the back end. The pro provided stats that said Flowers and Shaq were both above to well above average.

I think we may have a case of:
the sum of its parts as a whole < The sum of individuals talent in the system

A good sign is I have seen good read and react from Blair so far. I am anxious to see what Diggs can add to the team.

What do you guys think? Scheme, lazy, old, wait until next week?

I think part of the issue w/ the Hawks pass rush is not keeping the opposing QB stationary when we do get pressure.

I saw it today multiple times with Winston... we'd get a player right in his face and he'd shift a couple feet then have nobody near him because whoever was on the trail side of the pressure either lost contain or had no idea where the QB was in relation to the pocket. You have to get pressure and then make sure there are no gaps to escape. The vast majority of sacks happen because the QB has no outlet and Hawks have done a horrible job making sure that happens.

How about getting consistent push up the middle from the 3 & 5 tech so QB has no room to step into his throw/no window. Yes more exotic would be great. You can't tell me Wagz don't wanna blitz on every play.

Ansah really sucking..

https://www.fieldgulls.com/2019/11/5/20 ... s-sluggish

Certainly the Defensive line has not been great but I am not sure that everything is all their fault. I watched the video Pro posted of Ansah And the thing that jumped out to me the most is that the ball is coming out quick most of the time. There was one play where Blair Blitzed and flushed Winston out of the pocket but other than that every single ball was out in under two seconds. Its hard to pressure the QB when he hits his back foot and throws immediately to his first read. I think the corners are playing too soft. Back in the Day their bread and butter was Sherman and Browner up in the receivers face playing physical. Now it seems like the corners are bailing into zone and the receivers are just running free into the soft spot between the secondary and the linebackers. The ball is coming out very fast against this D and the pass rush has no time to get home. I think their is a blueprint out there for how to carve up the Seahawks defense through the air and they need to make some changes schematically. Perhaps the bye week will give them the opportunity to figure some things out.

Wow. This play actually really highlights what I was talking about.

https://twitter.com/JohnPGilbertNFL/sta ... s-sluggish

Look... Jamar Taylor comes on a corner blitz from Ansah's side. Taylor wiffs on the sack (one could argue he should have made the play) but look where Ansah is... Why on earth did he shift 5 yards to the left into a double team and totally vacate his rush lane? Taylor's blitz forced Winston up and left into in the pocket... if Ansah had simply maintained his rush lane he probably would have lucked into a sack... but because Ansah is off in la-la land it gives Winston an easy lane to take off and he's chasing him 5 yards behind the damn play.

IStillLoveTheMs wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 06, 2019 4:08 am

Wow. This play actually really highlights what I was talking about.

https://twitter.com/JohnPGilbertNFL/sta ... s-sluggish

Look... Jamar Taylor comes on a corner blitz from Ansah's side. Taylor wiffs on the sack (one could argue he should have made the play) but look where Ansah is... Why on earth did he shift 5 yards to the left into a double team and totally vacate his rush lane? Taylor's blitz forced Winston up and left into in the pocket... if Ansah had simply maintained his rush lane he probably would have lucked into a sack... but because Ansah is off in la-la land it gives Winston an easy lane to take off and he's chasing him 5 yards behind the damn play.

Maybe Ansah was told to rush to the middle to clear out the LT so that Taylor would have a clear lane.

D-train wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 06, 2019 4:37 am

IStillLoveTheMs wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 06, 2019 4:08 am

Wow. This play actually really highlights what I was talking about.

https://twitter.com/JohnPGilbertNFL/sta ... s-sluggish

Look... Jamar Taylor comes on a corner blitz from Ansah's side. Taylor wiffs on the sack (one could argue he should have made the play) but look where Ansah is... Why on earth did he shift 5 yards to the left into a double team and totally vacate his rush lane? Taylor's blitz forced Winston up and left into in the pocket... if Ansah had simply maintained his rush lane he probably would have lucked into a sack... but because Ansah is off in la-la land it gives Winston an easy lane to take off and he's chasing him 5 yards behind the damn play.

Maybe Ansah was told to rush to the middle to clear out the LT so that Taylor would have a clear lane.

It looked like a stunt didn't it? That wasn't the best angle Taylor took to the QB either.

ThePro wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 06, 2019 5:00 am

D-train wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 06, 2019 4:37 am

IStillLoveTheMs wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 06, 2019 4:08 am

Wow. This play actually really highlights what I was talking about.

https://twitter.com/JohnPGilbertNFL/sta ... s-sluggish

Look... Jamar Taylor comes on a corner blitz from Ansah's side. Taylor wiffs on the sack (one could argue he should have made the play) but look where Ansah is... Why on earth did he shift 5 yards to the left into a double team and totally vacate his rush lane? Taylor's blitz forced Winston up and left into in the pocket... if Ansah had simply maintained his rush lane he probably would have lucked into a sack... but because Ansah is off in la-la land it gives Winston an easy lane to take off and he's chasing him 5 yards behind the damn play.

Maybe Ansah was told to rush to the middle to clear out the LT so that Taylor would have a clear lane.

It looked like a stunt didn't it? That wasn't the best angle Taylor took to the QB either.

There was a clear cross stunt ran between Clowney and Reed... you can see Reed loop around and Clowney is sealing his guy to the inside to create a rush lane on the outside for Reed.

Did Ansah think the stunt was called for him and Reed was going to seal his man?

Or maybe that was just the play design... to vacate the left side of the line so Taylor would have the free shot? In any case... if that's how it was actually designed... I'm not sure it's the brightest idea to rely on Jamar Taylor to make a huge play and just leave the entire left side of the line vacated... because you saw what happened.

Either it was a shit play call or Ansah moved where he wasn't sposed to.

ThePro wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 06, 2019 5:00 am

D-train wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 06, 2019 4:37 am

IStillLoveTheMs wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 06, 2019 4:08 am

Wow. This play actually really highlights what I was talking about.

https://twitter.com/JohnPGilbertNFL/sta ... s-sluggish

Look... Jamar Taylor comes on a corner blitz from Ansah's side. Taylor wiffs on the sack (one could argue he should have made the play) but look where Ansah is... Why on earth did he shift 5 yards to the left into a double team and totally vacate his rush lane? Taylor's blitz forced Winston up and left into in the pocket... if Ansah had simply maintained his rush lane he probably would have lucked into a sack... but because Ansah is off in la-la land it gives Winston an easy lane to take off and he's chasing him 5 yards behind the damn play.

Maybe Ansah was told to rush to the middle to clear out the LT so that Taylor would have a clear lane.

It looked like a stunt didn't it? That wasn't the best angle Taylor took to the QB either.

Looked like the LT stayed home just long enough to push him high around the edge but yeah, an elite or even above average player probably gets the sack fairly easily.