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Michael K. wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 03, 2020 5:15 pm

The thing about these issues is as much as I think people are offended far too easy these days, it isn't my place to tell a Native American what they should be offended by. I mean, it is derogatory? Right?

DavidGee24 wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 03, 2020 5:53 pm

The name "Redskins" has always sounded bad, but oddly there never has been any big outcry from Native American people other than a few small demonstrations. This has been put forth mainly by White Guilters. From what I understand there are even a few high schools on reservations whose mascot is the Redskins.

Look, this is what they should do and it's very simple: contact the leaders of every tribal nation and ask them what they and their tribal members think. If most of them are offended by the name, change it. If not, don't.

By the way, if they do change the name they should change it to "Bullets".

Michael K. wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 03, 2020 5:15 pm

The thing about these issues is as much as I think people are offended far too easy these days, it isn't my place to tell a Native American what they should be offended by. I mean, it is derogatory? Right?

But where did the word "redskin" come from? Many dictionaries and history books say the term came about in reference to the Beothuk tribe of what is now Newfoundland, Canada. The Beothuk were said to paint their bodies with red ochre, leading white settlers to refer to them as "red men."

According to Smithsonian historian Ives Goddard, early historical records indicate that "Redskin" was used as a self-identifier by Native Americans to differentiate between the two races. Goddard found that the first use of the word "redskin" came in 1769, in negotiations between the Piankashaws and Col. John Wilkins. Throughout the 1800s, the word was frequently used by Native Americans as they negotiated with the French and later the Americans. The phrase gained widespread usage among whites when James Fenimore Cooper used it in his 1823 novel The Pioneers. In the book, Cooper has a dying Indian character lament, "There will soon be no red-skin in the country."

Sibelius Hindemith wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 03, 2020 7:43 pm

Michael K. wrote: ↑

Fri Jul 03, 2020 5:15 pm

The thing about these issues is as much as I think people are offended far too easy these days, it isn't my place to tell a Native American what they should be offended by. I mean, it is derogatory? Right?

Wrong. Just another leftist lie.

But where did the word "redskin" come from? Many dictionaries and history books say the term came about in reference to the Beothuk tribe of what is now Newfoundland, Canada. The Beothuk were said to paint their bodies with red ochre, leading white settlers to refer to them as "red men."

According to Smithsonian historian Ives Goddard, early historical records indicate that "Redskin" was used as a self-identifier by Native Americans to differentiate between the two races. Goddard found that the first use of the word "redskin" came in 1769, in negotiations between the Piankashaws and Col. John Wilkins. Throughout the 1800s, the word was frequently used by Native Americans as they negotiated with the French and later the Americans. The phrase gained widespread usage among whites when James Fenimore Cooper used it in his 1823 novel The Pioneers. In the book, Cooper has a dying Indian character lament, "There will soon be no red-skin in the country."

https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch ... of-redskin