well, this draft class is going to suck

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Post by Sexymarinersfan » Wed May 04, 2022 12:04 am

Michael K. wrote:
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Tue May 03, 2022 6:23 pm
I'll be watching a lot more Kentucky and Miami games this year, thats for sure.
Was it you that posted the video of the kid from Kentucky? Yeah, my eyes will be on him for sure. I realize those were highlights, but that looked like young Russ Wilson, only taller!
Yeah it was me. He reminds me so much of Russell too. The only thing I'd say he really needs to work on this season is cutting down his turnovers. I like him and Tyler Van Dyke out of Miami possibly for Seattle next season. Both have really good arms and could be going off the board after Stroud and Young. Van Dyke would be my back up option in case we missed out on Levis.

There's even a scenario where we could have such a high pick that we wind up selecting DE Will Anderson out of Alabama with our first pick and go after Levis or Van Dyke with our second 1st rounder.

Despite whatever Seattle and Denver's records ends up being, we'll have more than enough ammo to grab a good QB in this next draft. If Seattle and Denver wind up with one Top 10 and one Top 15 pick combined, we can practically choose whichever good QB we want, in my opinion.

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Re: well, this draft class is going to suck

Post by Donn Beach » Wed May 04, 2022 2:51 am

Sexymarinersfan wrote:
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I would like to think so. I love the optimism of this recent draft. Just sitting here wondering, why now?
Why did they change now? Guessing because Jody put them on the hot seat.
Thats exactly my thoughts too bro. 100%!!!! Which is exactly why I thought the coaches and Schneider were more involved with this draft selection and not Pete as much.
How do you know it wasn't Pete saying I'm going to take charge, enough of John's wacky picks. We are going to go traditional like I'm used to. Like Z taking charge after the Figgins fiasco

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Re: well, this draft class is going to suck

Post by Sexymarinersfan » Wed May 04, 2022 4:13 am

Donn Beach wrote:
Wed May 04, 2022 2:51 am
Sexymarinersfan wrote:
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Why did they change now? Guessing because Jody put them on the hot seat.
Thats exactly my thoughts too bro. 100%!!!! Which is exactly why I thought the coaches and Schneider were more involved with this draft selection and not Pete as much.
How do you know it wasn't Pete saying I'm going to take charge, enough of John's wacky picks. We are going to go traditional like I'm used to. Like Z taking charge after the Figgins fiasco
We don't know, its just a theory. But a few of my friends think its highly probable too. It's all just a guess.

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Post by Sibelius Hindemith » Wed May 04, 2022 4:35 am

Wasn't it reported earlier this year that Jody was taking away some of Pete's control over personnel decisions? That's what i heard anyway.

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Post by Donn Beach » Wed May 04, 2022 4:43 am

Believe that was a forum rumor, Jody is not interfering in personel decisions

Again, in terms of running the draft. Google Seahawk draft philosophy or something like that, it's JS that comes up, not Pete Carroll. But the fact is, they are in agreement on personel decisions, it's a consensus approach
."That's something that I could go on for hours about, " he replied as Doug and Rob asked him to talk about the Seahawks' general philosophy when it comes to drafting, "but the basic premise of our philosophy is - we preach to our staff - and not to get too philosophical with you but in society today - the easiest thing to do is to talk about what people can't do. We just think that's the easiest thing to do. The hardest thing to do is to find out what a guy's strengths are: what do you think the guy does well, tell us how you think he would fit, and tell us how you think he could accentuate those strengths once he's here, and develop those strengths."

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Re: well, this draft class is going to suck

Post by Sexymarinersfan » Wed May 04, 2022 4:49 am

Sibelius Hindemith wrote:
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Wasn't it reported earlier this year that Jody was taking away some of Pete's control over personnel decisions? That's what i heard anyway.
I hadn't seen that. But if its true, it might explain a lot towards our draft strategy.

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Re: well, this draft class is going to suck

Post by Donn Beach » Wed May 04, 2022 5:08 am

JS seen as one of the most active and successful draft day traders, how could he do that if he isn't in control of it? Maybe it was Pete telling him he couldn't trade the ninth pick, that was the unusual aspect wasn't it, keeping the pick
.By now, most 12s are familiar with Seahawks general manager John Schneider's approach to the NFL draft. Trading down has become the norm, with Schneider and the Seahawks often opting to turn higher picks into a greater number of selections overall.

But just as much as Schneider has traded down in the draft, he's also traded up as much as all but two GMs in the league between 2011 and 2021.

Here's a visual of every tenured GM in the league and the amount of draft-day trade ups and trade downs they've made. Mickey Loomis and Co down in New Orleans are truly one of a kind. pic.twitter.com/6FLSFf9ayB

— Arjun Menon (@arjunmenon100) February 23, 2022
Simply put, Schneider is one of the most active executives in the league come draft time. And, as it turns out, his draft day moves have been some of the most effective in the league as well.

Last week, Connor McQuiston of Pro Football Focus analyzed moves made by GMs over the last five drafts to see which teams gained the most value from their draft day trades. Among the 18 GMs who made at least five draft day trades between 2017 and 2021, Schneider and the Seahawks ranked second in average value gained per draft.

"Schneider has done arguably the best job of any current NFL GM of securing draft capital during the event's three nights," McQuiston said. "Particularly in the first two nights of the draft, Schneider has done an excellent job trading down and accumulating picks throughout Day 2, which is undervalued by the standard Jimmy Johnson trade value chart and grants them the luxury to trade up on Day 3."


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Re: well, this draft class is going to suck

Post by Sexymarinersfan » Wed May 04, 2022 9:30 am

Donn Beach wrote:
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Here is the rumor
https://clutchpoints.com/seahawks-rumor ... rroll/amp/
I think Schneider outlasts Carroll. And wasn't it John's decision to hire Pete from USC after the scandall? I'm not sure who my next hire who would, but I'm really curious as to how much further Pete intends to go. I've got the +/- at 3 years.

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Re: well, this draft class is going to suck

Post by Sibelius Hindemith » Wed May 04, 2022 11:16 am

Donn Beach wrote:
Wed May 04, 2022 4:43 am
Again, in terms of running the draft. Google Seahawk draft philosophy or something like that, it's JS that comes up, not Pete Carroll. But the fact is, they are in agreement on personel decisions, it's a consensus approach.
Well, John probably wouldn't have stuck around otherwise. But i think some of the early picks have had Pete's stamp on them, like Bruce Irvin - someone he had a history with as a college recruiter.

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