SeattleAddict wrote: ↑Thu Jun 09, 2022 6:50 am
Michael K. wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 6:52 pm
SeattleAddict wrote: ↑Tue Jun 07, 2022 4:47 pm
it's like people never learn. How many of these great physical specimens ended up being great NFL QBs? How many flamed out completely?
I can't think of any of the physically dominant QBs that scouts drooled over doing anything, but I remember a lot of Jeff Georges and Jamarcus Russells.
Just about EVERY NFL QB is six foot three or taller with a rocket arm. I am not sure what you are getting at. Can you name the last NFL starting QB not named Kyler or Russ to NOT be one of those guys?
If you can find a starting QB in the NFL that isn't elite physically at something, I will be shocked.
QBs under 6'3":
Russell Wilson
Kyler Murray
Drew Brees
Tyrod Taylor
Aaron Rodgers
Dak Prescott
Andy Dalton
RG III
Teddy Bridgewater
Ryan Fitzpatrick
Jimmy Garappolo
Tua
Lamar Jackson
Chase Daniel
Jalen Hurts
Taylor Heineke
Case Keenum
Baker Mayfield
Tyler Huntley
Colt McCoy
Gardner Minshew
Nick Mullens
Jake Fromm
Matt Barkley
Taysom Hill
Brian Hoyer
Josh Johnson
Mitch Trubisky
Deshaun Watson
Zach Wilson
... should I go on? There's a bunch of no-name backups to add.
So, there are 1 or 2. But that isn't the point. The point is pushing him as the #6 overall based ONLY on being big and a big arm. That's the key - he hasn't done shit yet except look good on paper.
Oh my God, yeah, such a stagering list of studs you have there. And, as I said, name one without an elite ability. Half those guys are never going to be a difference maker and the other half are guys like Lamar Jackson, Jalen Hurts, Tua, etc. Guys that make a difference with their feet, as I already mentioned. Still, an elite physical ability.
No one has given this kid anything. These guys are projecting a stud talent going into a season of college and saying if he performs he will jump up boards. The fact is, these guys get over drafted because the risk is worth the reward. But to pretend that all these NFL teams get it wrong all the time is ridiculous.
QBs under 6'3":
Russell Wilson Mobile with elite deep ball
Kyler Murray Elite mobility and athlete
Drew Brees Oddity
Tyrod Taylor Come one. Back Up
Aaron Rodgers Yeah, his physical skills aren't what make him a great QB?
Dak Prescott Another if I lowered it to 6 foot 2
Andy Dalton You can have him
RG III One hit wonder who could run
Teddy Bridgewater Meh
Ryan Fitzpatrick double Meh. Mostly a Backup
Jimmy Garappolo LOL, Everyone in here hates on this guy, but now he is proving your point?
Tua Mobility
Lamar Jackson Mobility
Chase Daniel Who? Back Up
Jalen Hurts Mobility
Taylor Heineke Come on. Back Up
Case Keenum Good Christ. Back Up
Baker Mayfield Was doubted, mostly due to a small guy without elite mobility
Tyler Huntley Career Backup
Colt McCoy Fuck, really? Career Backup
Gardner Minshew Double Fuck, Really? Career Backup
Nick Mullens Who? Career Backup
Jake Fromm Who? Backup
Matt Barkley Who? Backup
Taysom Hill Now we are throwing in TEs and RBs? Backup
Brian Hoyer Who? Backup
Josh Johnson Who? Backup
Mitch Trubisky A draft pick that was HEAVILY criticized immediately. Mostly because the prototypical QB they passed up. Backup
Deshaun Watson Elite athleticism
Zach Wilson Little early no?
... should I go on? There's a bunch of no-name backups to add. Sure, prove my point that if a guy doesn't have elite mobility, if he starts at QB in the league he is probably the prototype. No one gets drafted because they are six foot three with a rocket arm only, but guys that aren't? Better run around like a rabbit.
Again, most of those guys are backups. You are cherry picking here. When I said Wilson and Kyler, I guess I should have thrown in a couple of guys that are a tad under 6 3? That said, I also said "If you can find a starting QB in the NFL that isn't elite physically at something, I will be shocked."
So, it is rather ridiculous that you threw in a guy like Rodgers, or guys with freakish mobility. When you take those out? Your list is dogshit, but yeah, a great list of dudes that hold a clipboard in the NFL. A BIG reason they hold a clipboard in the NFL? They are small and do nothing at an elite level.