Please explain Drew Lock and the Seahawks

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Re: Please explain Drew Lock and the Seahawks

Post by SeattleAddict » Wed Aug 03, 2022 7:24 am

Donn Beach wrote:
Wed Aug 03, 2022 5:40 am
Translate? Trying to understand what you're getting at
I think he's saying Pete is going with Geno unless Lock shows he is better. Everybody acts like they traded for Lock to make him the starter, but I don't see that. They had zero QBs on the roster if they traded RW (I consider Eason zero QB), and wanted at least a viable backup level QB in return. Denver was one of the few teams that had one. If he was really a starting level QB, they wouldn't have also asked for a very solid Shelby Harris and the 20th overall pick in 2019 Noah Fant AND all the draft picks. Lock was a throw-in, not an answer to the QB position.

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Re: Please explain Drew Lock and the Seahawks

Post by Donn Beach » Wed Aug 03, 2022 9:17 am

Which the QB competition would hopefully decide... noticed I screwed up the question. It should have read.You think Pete doesn't take the QB competition or Lock seriously?...I thought he was saying Pete had already decided on Geno as his QB.

Pete claims they studied Lock in depth, viewed every throw he has made since college. I don't think they view him as just a throw in. I think they see him as a QB they could fix, mine value
“I think he’d have been the first guy picked, of quarterbacks anyway. He’d have been the first guy in this draft. I don’t have any hesitation saying that,” Carroll said.
“When Drew came out of college — we made our assessments and evaluated him [for] the draft — we saw him as a big, strong-armed, mobile, aggressive, athletic quarterback,” Carroll said Tuesday. “He had thrown a ton of footballs. He had a very aggressive program where you got to see him do everything … and we really liked what we saw. We can still see that. We see that right now when we watch the film.”
. “Unfortunately for him, his play has come about where there’s a lot of turnovers in his game,” Carroll said. “That just doesn’t fit with us. We just have to fix that. We have to change the mentality and do the things that we can do to help him be his best.
.“He’s played a lot of football and we think we can capitalize on that,” Carroll said. “All we’re seeing right now is upside.”

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Re: Please explain Drew Lock and the Seahawks

Post by D-train » Wed Aug 03, 2022 1:54 pm

Donn Beach wrote:
Wed Aug 03, 2022 5:40 am
Translate? Trying to understand what you're getting at
He thinks Lock was a throw in the Broncos no longer needed and was just a token gesture to project that we were getting a new QB. I disagree.
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Re: Please explain Drew Lock and the Seahawks

Post by trharder » Wed Aug 03, 2022 3:43 pm

Donn Beach wrote:
Wed Aug 03, 2022 9:17 am
Which the QB competition would hopefully decide... noticed I screwed up the question. It should have read.You think Pete doesn't take the QB competition or Lock seriously?...I thought he was saying Pete had already decided on Geno as his QB.

Pete claims they studied Lock in depth, viewed every throw he has made since college. I don't think they view him as just a throw in. I think they see him as a QB they could fix, mine value
What you are experiencing is cognitive dissonance.

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Re: Please explain Drew Lock and the Seahawks

Post by D-train » Wed Aug 03, 2022 7:44 pm

By Bob Condotta
Seattle Times staff reporter
RENTON — So, Seahawks offensive coordinator Shane Waldron was asked Tuesday when he met the media for the first time during training camp, do you have a deadline for naming a starting quarterback?

“Denver,” he said with a smile, referring to the regular-season opener Sept. 12 against Russell Wilson and the Broncos. After a pause he added, “We do have a plan though.”

A plan, he said, that will be kept in house.

And while Waldron was joking, staying consistent with the overall tenor of coach Pete Carroll of being as vague as possible about where things stand with the QB competition, Seattle’s fifth training camp practice of the season Tuesday did nothing to dissuade the idea it will take a while to decide on a starter between Geno Smith and Drew Lock.

In the team’s first padded practice, the offense had a better day than Monday, when the defense turned in a fair impression of the 2013 Legion of Boom team in its dominance.

Both quarterbacks spoke to the media after Monday’s practice and acknowledged candidly it was a tough day for the offense with Smith saying it was now “about how we respond.”


There were, at least, a few offensive highlights in the team’s response Tuesday, with Smith throwing two touchdowns during 11-on-11 team sessions and Lock three.

As has been the case throughout, Smith again worked exclusively behind the No. 1 offensive line going against the No. 1 defense, and Lock with the No. 2 offensive line against the No. 2 defense. However, receivers such as DK Metcalf and Tyler Lockett got ample reps with both QBs.

After extensive third-down and red-zone sessions, the practice ended with each quarterback getting two non-situational drives.

Smith’s first possession ended on the second play in an interception by Josh Jones, in on the play as a third safety along with Jamal Adams and Quandre Diggs, when Smith tried to throw it to Lockett in double coverage.

Lock then led a drive that ended in a third-and-9 TD pass to Penny Hart. Smith responded on his next drive with a short TD pass to Marquise Goodwin, who made a diving, juggling grab, finally pinning the ball between his feet for the score (though defenders argued, possibly correctly, that the ball hit the ground first).

Lock then led a short drive that ended in a 6-yard TD pass to former Husky Aaron Fuller on third-and-goal.

Including all 11-on-11 sessions, Smith was unofficially 9-17 with two TDs (with another to tight end Tyler Mabry in a red-zone drill) and an interception and Lock 8-19 with three TDs (he also had one to Walker in a red-zone drill) and no picks.

For camp, Smith now has thrown three interceptions in 11-on-11 sessions while Lock doesn’t have any.

As noted, Smith has gone exclusively against the starting defense, and Lock the backups.

Still, curtailing turnovers was considered among Lock’s biggest needs for improvement, so that he has largely taken care of the ball so far is a positive.

Waldron noted that the first practice of camp ended with Lock rolling to his left and trying to heave a pass deep across the field for what could easily have been an interception and that “he comes right back the next day almost has the identical situation right there, he sees it downfield as that’s probably a tough one, puts the ball away and runs with it. It’s just consistently making those quality decisions.”

So, who has the edge? Coaches aren’t saying. For now, that Smith continues to work with the ones indicates that if the team played a game today, he’d be the guy.

But as Waldron made clear, Seattle doesn’t play for almost six weeks, and lots can change.

Waldron also said not to assume that what fans and media see in open practices and preseason games is all that will win the job.

Asked why Smith has gotten almost all the work with the ones, Waldron noted that there is a lot of other work going on behind the scenes.


“There’s also a lot of different things with walk-throughs and everything we’ve got going,” Waldron said. “And there have been a few scenarios out here where there has been some overlap. And so we’re just going with our plan here, really evaluating those guys, evaluating everything they’re doing.“

Waldron noted that factors such as “the communication, how they’re interacting with their teammates, how we’re throwing individual routes, how we’re running the drill periods” will also play a role in the decision.

But ultimately, Waldron said, the major determiner is “winning. … Every situation that they are in, are they winning that moment?”

The first significant moment figures to come 2:30 p.m. Saturday when the team holds its annual mock game at Lumen Field. And the most telling moment of that game could be if Lock gets some work behind the one offensive line against the No. 1 defense, or if the split continues to be as it has so far.

Carroll has said several times that Smith has the upper hand due to his better knowledge of the offense, having been with Seattle four years and in his second year with Waldron, while Lock arrived in March from Denver in the Wilson deal.

But Waldron indicated that’s becoming less of a factor. He praised the help Smith and Jacob Eason, who has been with the Seahawks since October, have done to aid Lock in learning the playbook, saying, “They’re really helping each out and that’s allowed Drew to really pick up the offense in a good, timely fashion.”

Notes
Speaking of Metcalf, both QBs had trouble connecting with him Tuesday. Unofficially, he caught one pass on eight targets in the red zone and third-down sessions and then the last two 11-on-11 team sessions. One, in the end zone from Lock, was batted away by rookie cornerback Coby Bryant, who continues to impress. Another time, Metcalf broke open but a Smith pass hung in the air and Artie Burns — who has had a nice camp — recovered to break it up. The practice, though, was just the third of any kind for Metcalf since last season. “Like anything else, it’s still a process to get back into the swing of things, get back into the timing and rhythm,” Waldron said. “But as far as from a mental state from a physical being in shape state, he’s picking up where he left off. So he’s just doing nothing but trying to be that positive leader day in and day out within the building.”
Receiver Dee Eskridge again did not take part in any drills. He has been out since the first practice last Wednesday with a tight hamstring.
Also not practicing Tuesday were cornerback Ugo Amadi, linebacker Lakiem Williams and defensive tackle Poona Ford. Ford appeared to be getting a veteran rest day while it was unclear the issue with the others. And safety Ryan Neal suffered some sort of foot/leg injury early and did not return. It was unclear the severity.
Jake Curhan again worked with the starting line at right tackle with rookie Abraham Lucas with the second team. The rest of the starting offensive line has remained consistent — left tackle Charles Cross, left guard Damien Lewis, center Austin Blythe and right guard Gabe Jackson. Phil Haynes continues to at times rotate in with Jackson at right guard.
Jamal Adams practiced throughout in his second day back after breaking his middle finger, which is covered with a cast.
Carroll remains away from the team after testing positive for COVID-19. The earliest he can be back is Friday. Associate head coach Carl Smith again took over some of his usual on-field duties but Carroll is in communication with the team virtually. “He’s in there in spirit and also on those Zooms,” Waldron said.
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Re: Please explain Drew Lock and the Seahawks

Post by auroraave » Wed Aug 03, 2022 9:41 pm

Lock having zero interceptions is the key factor. Hopefully they're letting him get his familiarity with the book and team, and gaining confidence before geting into combat with the A team - because he needs to translate that production against the big boys. Whomever is the starter - as long as they can minimize turnovers (for arguments sake, a minimum of 2-1 td-to-int ratio) and can generate 200-250 yards - I think that position is manageable - especially knowing Seattle has the luxury fall back position of the avail QB talent in the upcoming draft. What I have heard several times now, is that the defense is really fast. I also think they'll be a little bit nasty. They'll make some mistakes, but they will learn on the fly this year - the best way to acclimate. The last time seattle has a nasty, fast defense, this team soared. I think they are on the cusp of that again - young, hungry, a 'lil angry, and with another draft to add more talent, I think this team is well positioned. To be clear - this team is NOT making playoff run this year. What they will do is build towards a playoff caliber team. They will lose plenty of games, but they will be getting better in the process. That is all we need at this stage in the rebuild. manage those expectations and acknowledge the process.

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Re: Please explain Drew Lock and the Seahawks

Post by D-train » Wed Aug 03, 2022 10:41 pm

auroraave wrote:
Wed Aug 03, 2022 9:41 pm
Lock having zero interceptions is the key factor. Hopefully they're letting him get his familiarity with the book and team, and gaining confidence before geting into combat with the A team - because he needs to translate that production against the big boys. Whomever is the starter - as long as they can minimize turnovers (for arguments sake, a minimum of 2-1 td-to-int ratio) and can generate 200-250 yards - I think that position is manageable - especially knowing Seattle has the luxury fall back position of the avail QB talent in the upcoming draft. What I have heard several times now, is that the defense is really fast. I also think they'll be a little bit nasty. They'll make some mistakes, but they will learn on the fly this year - the best way to acclimate. The last time seattle has a nasty, fast defense, this team soared. I think they are on the cusp of that again - young, hungry, a 'lil angry, and with another draft to add more talent, I think this team is well positioned. To be clear - this team is NOT making playoff run this year. What they will do is build towards a playoff caliber team. They will lose plenty of games, but they will be getting better in the process. That is all we need at this stage in the rebuild. manage those expectations and acknowledge the process.
Exactly what I was thinking.
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Re: Please explain Drew Lock and the Seahawks

Post by D-train » Wed Aug 03, 2022 10:42 pm

Probably won't be making a playoff run but I won't be surprised if they do.
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Re: Please explain Drew Lock and the Seahawks

Post by D-train » Wed Aug 03, 2022 10:43 pm

Actually I am going to call it. This will be the first time ever the M's and Hawks both make the playoffs the same year. Now I prob jinxed them both and they will both miss. lol
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Re: Please explain Drew Lock and the Seahawks

Post by auroraave » Thu Aug 04, 2022 12:08 am

D-train wrote:
Wed Aug 03, 2022 10:43 pm
Actually I am going to call it. This will be the first time ever the M's and Hawks both make the playoffs the same year. Now I prob jinxed them both and they will both miss. lol
Oh, man, I'd take that bet. I don't think Seahawks have the horses or experience to make it - not a knock on them, but they just don't quite have the talent. If they had a rockstar QB I'd like their chances more - but we saw that even wilson could not drag this team anywhere - even when they had more talent. Also, not a big fan of the Mariners trade for the Cinci guy - always love another arm, but this feels like a desperation move to eke into the playoffs this year - and they have one of the best farm systems in the entire league - to purge a bunch of young talent to acquire an arm that is not likely to help carry them anywhere, as far as a real playoff run, I think was a big mistake. Keep the minors stacked, the team seems to be needing offense more. Odd move. They've already shown they won't get past Houston. Feels like they jumped the shark for optics. "making it" to the playoffs, only to get bounced out early, while giving up all that young talent - just such a mariner move.

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