Every thing is about RW......

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Re: Every thing is about RW......

Post by D-train » Fri Nov 18, 2022 2:56 pm

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Sounds like there is more to the wrist band than we may know. I saw a video about this last night. Freaking unbelievable. Russ is calling audibles and using language from Seattle!?

Analysis: As Russell Wilson’s struggles continue, frustration in Denver mounts

Bob Condotta By Bob Condotta
Seattle Times staff reporter
The Russell Wilson-Denver Broncos honeymoon has long since ended.

But is the marriage already beginning to fray?

It’s a topic that will interest Seattle sports fans as long as Wilson is in Denver, but more so now. The Seahawks own Denver’s first-round draft pick in 2023 after the trade in March that sent the longtime Seattle star quarterback to Denver.

The NFL draft order is determined by teams’ records from the previous season. So the worse the Broncos finish in 2022, the higher the Seahawks would pick in 2023.

And in the wake of another disappointing Denver loss Sunday, which ended with Wilson throwing an interception, came an accusation that seemed to signal that Broncos fans — and maybe even some in the organization — have become increasingly frustrated and are questioning where things may be headed.

On Wednesday, former Broncos offensive lineman Tyler Polumbus — who played for Seattle in 2010-11 — said on Altitude Sports Radio Denver that Wilson at times is confusing his offensive teammates by calling audibles with code words from his days in Seattle.

“Russ is losing his mind out there,” Polumbus said during a discussion of Wilson’s struggles with the Broncos. “He’s at the line of scrimmaging using audibles from the Seahawks. The guys don’t know the audibles. He’s using code words that the guys don’t know what the code words are.

“And they are coming back to the huddle and they are like, ‘Dude, what are you saying up there? We don’t know what the play, we don’t know what that is?’ He’s losing his mind right now.”

That comment came after Scott Hastings, a former NBA player and longtime sports-talk host, said he has heard of “a disconnect between Russ and [Denver coach Nathaniel] Hackett from the start. … I heard that they also, that it’s legit, that Russ has these sets of plays he wants to run, and Hackett wants him to run these sets of plays, and right now there is no compromise and that Russ is audibling out of too many calls.”


And maybe as newsworthy as the veracity of the accusations — and certainly, they are juicy — is that they are being made.

Somebody, or some bodies, is/are is feeding Polumbus and Hastings that information with Denver’s season, and the perception of the Wilson trade, having gone more sideways than anyone could have imagined.

Just past the halfway point of Wilson’s first season in Denver, the Broncos are stuck with the NFL’s worst offense in terms of points scored — the only stat that really matters — and with a 3-6 record.

Wilson is mired in by far his worst season, with just seven touchdown passes in eight games — a TD percentage of just 2.6% after he averaged 6.2% in is 10 years with Seattle — and a QB rating of 81.4 compared with his Seattle rating of 101.8.

He’s also rushed for just 15.1 yards per game, about half his Seattle average of 29.7.

That Seattle is 6-4 and has a surprisingly efficient offense led by Geno Smith — even with Sunday’s loss to the Buccaneers in Munich — adds intrigue.

Was it the Seahawks and coach Pete Carroll propping up Wilson all those years and not the other way around? Or were the Seahawks that prescient in seeing that Wilson was in decline — he turns 34 on Nov. 29 — and able to pull one over on Denver?

Those aren’t questions easily answered yet.

But that they are being asked is evidence of what a disaster this season has been for Denver.

The Broncos’ offense has struggled, and they are wasting a historically great season by their defense, which ranks first in the NFL in fewest points allowed and second in fewest yards allowed.

And as noted, for this season, that can be a huge benefit for the Seahawks, who already are smiling giddily from the early returns of the Wilson deal.

Seattle received tight end Noah Fant, defensive lineman Shelby Harris and quarterback Drew Lock, and first- and second-round picks in 2022 and 2023. Seattle used those 2022 picks on left tackle Charles Cross — who has played all but two offensive snaps for the Seahawks, appearing on the verge of becoming a foundational piece of the offense for years — and outside linebacker Boye Mafe.

And in the gift that will keep on giving, if the season ended today Seattle would have the seventh overall pick. Seattle also gets Denver’s pick in the second round — which currently would be 43rd overall.

Combined with the Seahawks’ picks — which as of today would be Nos. 22 and 54 — and they are in prime position to make another draft killing as they did in 2022.

Then there’s the contract Seattle didn’t want to give Wilson. But the Broncos did before he’d played a game for them — a five-year extension through the 2028 season paying him up to $296 million overall (when including the two years already on the deal) with $124 million guaranteed.

“I want to be here for a long time,” Wilson said during a celebratory news conference Sept. 1 to announce the extension. “I believe this is a marriage, and I want to be here for a long time. My goal is to be able to finish my career here.”

For now, he must overcome a start rockier than anyone could have envisioned.

Bob Condotta: 206-515-5699 or bcondotta@seattletimes.com; on Twitter: @bcondotta. Bob Condotta covers the Seahawks for the Seattle Times. He provides daily coverage of the team throughout the year.
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Sorry I didn't see this. Unreal.
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Re: Every thing is about RW......

Post by D-train » Mon Nov 21, 2022 4:58 pm

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Re: Every thing is about RW......

Post by Michael K. » Mon Nov 21, 2022 6:22 pm

Saw this little tidbit on CBS Sportsline just now.
NFL MVP voting undergoing major change. MVP voters will have a new option this year when they turn in their ballot. Instead of listing just one player, voters will now be able to rank their top-five choices for MVP. This is a major change to the MVP voting format and you can read more about it by clicking here.
Poor Russ, they change the rule the year he becomes obsolete!

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/voti ... D=43217563

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Re: Every thing is about RW......

Post by Captain 97 » Mon Nov 21, 2022 6:26 pm

Michael K. wrote:
Mon Nov 21, 2022 6:22 pm
Saw this little tidbit on CBS Sportsline just now.
NFL MVP voting undergoing major change. MVP voters will have a new option this year when they turn in their ballot. Instead of listing just one player, voters will now be able to rank their top-five choices for MVP. This is a major change to the MVP voting format and you can read more about it by clicking here.
Poor Russ, they change the rule the year he becomes obsolete!

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/voti ... D=43217563
Still not going to get any votes. :lol:

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Re: Every thing is about RW......

Post by D-train » Mon Nov 21, 2022 6:43 pm

Captain 97 wrote:
Mon Nov 21, 2022 6:26 pm
Michael K. wrote:
Mon Nov 21, 2022 6:22 pm
Saw this little tidbit on CBS Sportsline just now.
NFL MVP voting undergoing major change. MVP voters will have a new option this year when they turn in their ballot. Instead of listing just one player, voters will now be able to rank their top-five choices for MVP. This is a major change to the MVP voting format and you can read more about it by clicking here.
Poor Russ, they change the rule the year he becomes obsolete!

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/voti ... D=43217563
Still not going to get any votes. :lol:
But Geno might! lol
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Re: Every thing is about RW......

Post by Donn Beach » Tue Nov 29, 2022 2:18 am

Seems like Hackett get fired about now, maybe not so simple

From the SBnation Bronco site
The moment Denver moves on at head coach, the clock on Russell Wilson will begin ticking. There will be no buffer between fans’ expectations and Wilson’s abysmal performance. As insane as it sounds, Hackett’s employment keeps attention off of the mega-mistake that Denver made in trading for Mr. Wolverine Blood.

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Re: Every thing is about RW......

Post by roosevelt » Tue Nov 29, 2022 10:24 pm

May be having family issues...

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Re: Every thing is about RW......

Post by douche » Thu Dec 01, 2022 7:11 pm

Great article:

It's Past Time for Broncos to Clip Russell Wilson's Wings
Story by Erick Trickel

The Denver Broncos need to draw a line in the sand with Russell Wilson.

After the Denver Broncos acquired Russell Wilson via trade, the talk of the town was how the passing offense would be built with heavy input from the veteran quarterback, that it would be 'co-authored' alongside new head coach Nathaniel Hackett. Not only that, Wilson purportedly would have input on personnel and the draft, and he was even given an office at Dove Valley with his personal coaches in tow.

Wilson got special treatment before he ever played a snap in a Broncos uniform, and that was bound to cause problems. However, the team isn't quitting on Hackett, but the players could be turning on the quarterback. That special treatment, coupled with his atrocious play, is a big reason why his teammates could be tuning him out.

It's too late for Hackett to save his job, and there are rumors that the Broncos' head coach becoming the scapegoat for Wilson's issues isn't sitting well with some players. However, there is no doubt that Hackett is loved in that locker room, which was made evident by Melvin Gordon's comments on Hackett after he was let go.

Gordon, who has never been afraid to speak his mind, spoke about how players are buying into Hackett and his vision. Those are some kind words from one of the more honest players who is unafraid to speak his mind about a coach who he had some play-time issues with before being waived.

So, Wilson is reportedly creating a divide in the locker room. This divide showed up during the Broncos' ugly loss to the Carolina Panthers, where Mike Purcell was seen shouting at Wilson on the sideline. While both players spoke about how it was nothing more than "frustration" and meant to fire up the team, others have said that wasn't the case.

It's clear that Wilson is an issue on the field, and with these reports, he is an issue in the locker room and needs to be reined in. Remember, it was well-reported during Wilson's time in Seattle that he had issues with teammates behind the scenes.

The Broncos need to send a message, starting with GM George Paton and going down to Hackett. The team needs to make it clear that it was wrong to give Wilson the special treatment without ever playing a snap and that he is just like any other player on this team.

The Broncos should take away Wilson's office in the building. If he wants it back, then he needs to play better.

Wilson needs to look in the mirror and realize what he is as a quarterback at this point in his career and be willing to be that to help the team. His desire for an MVP hurt his team in Seattle, where the 'Let Russ Cook' mantra began.

The Seattle Seahawks would do just that, only for the offense to take a significant step back, and so they would rein him in, and the offensive efficiency would improve again. Denver needs to follow suit.

Wilson isn't a pocket-passing quarterback, and the Broncos don't have the offensive line to run these long-developing route concepts that the QB brought with him from Seattle. Remember, Denver's passing offense is heavily influenced by Wilson's preferences. That was made clear in the offseason.

So take away his office, force him to play an offense he can execute, and get his personal coaches out of the team picture. The personal coaches have been with him at Dove Valley, and they've been involved in his daily grind. Every player has personal coaches that they work with, mostly during the offseason, but only Wilson's have been involved to that degree. That wasn't ever going to sit well with his teammates.

Denver handed Wilson $250 million before ever playing a snap. While there were skeptics about his play, nobody thought he would be this bad. Everyone expected that he would lead a more efficient offense and scored more points than the Teddy Bridgewater/Drew Lock/Pat Shurmur offense of the 2021 season.

With how Wilson has played, he doesn't deserve the continued special treatment. It's too late to change up the playbook, but you can change up the calls and use the plays that can lead to more efficient play. The unfortunate thing is, in doing that, you are turning your $250 million quarterback into a rookie/backup-caliber guy.

Wilson needs simple, one-read throws within a quicker passing game. That makes him a game-manager quarterback that the Broncos rue paying a quarter-billion dollars.

Another idea is to call more roll-outs and bootlegs to help cut the field in half. However, issues with Wilson hurt that idea.

Watching Wilson run those types of plays this season, one thing stood out: defenders aren't respecting his legs, so they can play more aggressively in getting after the quarterback. This has hurt multiple plays before they even get going and have led to multiple sacks.

The next part is, the quarterback has to whip his head around, and Wilson isn't doing that. It is a slow turn that puts the quarterback's timing behind schedule before the play gets going.

Those two issues make it hard to run them, but there is an option of running them out of the shotgun, where Wilson keeps his eyes forward. Not ideal, but it is a solution.

Basically, the Broncos have to go away from what Wilson wants and call the plays that he can do. The Broncos need to try and recoup some of their sunk cost, and reining in Wilson before issues in the locker room really explode is their best way to go about it.

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Re: Every thing is about RW......

Post by Michael K. » Thu Dec 01, 2022 8:21 pm

This divide showed up during the Broncos' ugly loss to the Carolina Panthers, where Mike Purcell was seen shouting at Wilson on the sideline. While both players spoke about how it was nothing more than "frustration" and meant to fire up the team, others have said that wasn't the case.
A decent article, no doubt. BUT, the above is the kind of shit that pisses me off. So, others have said something that the author never elaborates on. Who are the others? Coaches? Team Mates? The fans? The Media? I have seen TONS of speculation and heard lots of opinions on that interaction, but nothing that ever means anything. So, yeah...others have said this is a bigger issue than they are stating. But who are the others...besides talking heads looking for clicks? Because that is all I have seen.

I am all for piling on Russ...his douchness is really coming to the surface. But either report or it or shut the fuck up. Using words like "others" or "sources"? Fuck that. Cowherd says "my sources" all the time. He had "sources" that told him the Locker Room issue was about Pete and not Russ. Unless those sources were Jake Heaps and Ciara? I call bullshit.
The Seattle Seahawks would do just that, only for the offense to take a significant step back, and so they would rein him in, and the offensive efficiency would improve again. Denver needs to follow suit.
That is an ignorant uniformed statement as well. The TEAM struggled when Russ cooked? Look at the first half of 2020 and tell me the passing game or the offense in general was the problem!? That team was running away with the division, but the defense was SOO bad we had to reign back in the offense. I think that was the beginning of the end. Russ gave up after that. He refused to run the style of offense that best fit the team, but don't fucking lie and say the offense wasn't good until Pete reigned him in! That offense was going to break records, but the defense couldn't get off the field so we had to control the ball more.

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Re: Every thing is about RW......

Post by Michael K. » Thu Dec 01, 2022 8:28 pm

And how funny is this little tid bit.
Wilson isn't a pocket-passing quarterback, and the Broncos don't have the offensive line to run these long-developing route concepts that the QB brought with him from Seattle. Remember, Denver's passing offense is heavily influenced by Wilson's preferences. That was made clear in the offseason.
But, I thought the line was the problem here, and that was going to be solved by going to Denver? LOL. All the bullshit about all the weapons the Broncos had, the O Line was better, blah fucking blah. Basically? He went to the 2014 Seahawks, only the defense isn't quite as good, the O Line isn't nearly as good and he doesn't have Marshawn! Imagine if we had relied on Russ to Cook back then? Those Super Bowl teams wouldn't have gotten out of the WC round. He has mediocre to bad receivers, a piss poor O Line and a good but not great defense with zero run game. He got exactly what he deserved.

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