auroraave wrote: ↑Wed Feb 08, 2023 4:16 pm
Michael K. wrote: ↑Tue Feb 07, 2023 8:13 pm
Donn Beach wrote: ↑Tue Feb 07, 2023 4:29 am
McDowell hadn't been in trouble when they drafted him, Clark had
McDowell was an attitude issue. Work ethic was questioned.
These are the posts I donlt understand, Michael. You have an issue because "his work ethic was questioned" - but so was Clowney's - and if I remember correctly you were all in on acquiring him and resigning him. There is no consistency in your position. same with Rashaad Penny. You have an issue with him taken at 27, apparently that's too high for an RB, but then claim you would have taken Chubb who was taken at 35. So, 27 is too high, but 35 isn't? Wut?
What's the common demoninator here? You support picks when they work out - when then don't - you have an issue with it. Here's the problem with this kind of thinking - every single transaction has a risk associated with it - it is inherently hypocritical to embrace a risk that paid off, and then turn around and say "PCJS suck" because a risk did NOT payoff. Both picks made sense at the time when you consider all the contextual factors.
I;ve never understood the complete hypocrisy on here regarding transactions and the associated risk. No one is on here complaining about the marshawn Lynch acquisition - and he had all kinds of "red flags" - so theoretically, this board should be pissed off about that - right? Where is the 'outrage"?
Lamenting 'red flags" on players that didn't pan out while ignoring 'red flags" on players that did is the ultimate in hypocrisy. You cannot have it both ways. Anyone complaining about McDowell needs to have the same ire about Lynch and Clowney and Clark etc. Where is the consistancy?
It's one thing to be disappointed when a player doesnlt pan out via injury or whatever, but to use injury as a reason the front office sucks - to use red flag failures while ignoring red flag successes as a reason the front office sucks - I mean, c'mon, man. Can't have it both ways. If you are going to draw a line in the stand - stick to it across the board - don't cherry pick.
Not sure what there is to get. He had red flags, he slipped down down down the draft. In the end? He made a poor decision that had nothing to do with the Red Flags, but....no one else took him. I am pretty sure you would make fun of the 49ers or Cardinals if the shoe was on the other foot.
Not sure what anything else you mention has to do with it. I am saying maybe we don't take that guy very high due to the red flags. McDowell was a second round pick right? I'd rather we don't use a second round pick on a guy with Red Flags. Whether the Red Flags are because he is lazy or a shitty team mate.
Stop using your ridiculous straw man arguments. NO ONE, I fucking repeat, NO ONE, is using the McDowell injury as a reason the "front office sucks". please, take your bullshit over exaggerations somewhere else. LOTS of discussion in here about ignoring Red Flags and about value at the position the player is taken. McDowell is an example of both. Talent wise? He was a value at his spot...the red flags led a SHIT TON of other teams not to agree.
I support picks when they work out? Nope, I am the first to admit when I am wrong, you just refuse to see anything but your BS strawman arguments. I was all about trading for Adams, and was all about resigning him. I loved the Jimmy Graham move, until we decided we had no clue how to use him. Same for the move to get Harvin. I disagree with taking a MLB that isn't a passing game threat or a RB early, specifically if those positions are not even close to a need. SO, you get pissy with me pointing out that we didn't need Brooks, we didn't need Penny, and the red flags might have been a good reason to stray from McDowell. For all we know? Work ethic wasn't the ONLY Red Flag. McDowell is another of Pete's guys he thought he could change. He seems to be straying from that now. That said, if Cox is falling into the fourth of fifth round? That is a different gamble. Again, look at the guys we passed on for Penny and the guys we traded away from to drop down because we wanted to get McDowell.
Oh, another one I was wrong on, and have always owned up to? The LB the 49ers took before McDowell who ended up barely playing in the league and the OT from Georgia that got arrested before he ever made it to camp. I wanted those guys in both of the drafts I mentioned, and owned up to it many times. You are full of shit in your assessment, as usual. Now? I am sure you will disappear for a week, then come back and go on and on about how stupid I am to ever question the FO, in a topic that has nothing really to do with your little tirade.
For once in your time here. Read the comment, stop paying attention to who said it. Find the place in my statement that I said the FO was stupid because McDowell got hurt. Find the comment about Chubb. Find where I compared Red Flags to Lynch, who was FAR from a high risk trade BTW. There aren't any. The guy I took in my Mock Draft was mentioned as having Red Flags. Seems pretty relevant to mention the last DL man we took with Red Flags, no?
I hated the Collier pick too. I don't see you attacking me about that? Your selective attacks of my criticism is hilarious.
