Who do the Mocks have us taking at #5 right now

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Re: Who do the Mocks have us taking at #5 right now

Post by D-train » Mon Jan 23, 2023 12:59 pm

This brought back Memories of Joey Hunt. :lol: wtf were they thinking with that formation?
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Re: Who do the Mocks have us taking at #5 right now

Post by Gametime » Mon Jan 23, 2023 11:39 pm

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Tyree Wilson would be a TERRIBLE pick. He's a 4-3 edge, and not that dominant. Good, yes (7 sacks)... but not #5 overall good. He doesn't fit the system, doesn't fit the need.

The Seahawks do not need another mediocre-to-good edge. They have Taylor and Mafe still on rookie contracts in that very position. If you take an edge rusher at #5, it has to be a 15-sack type of guy, not a guy that splits time with those other two.

Myles Murphy is the same situation, but a much better player.

If Carter or Anderson aren't available, and assuming Geno signs, 9/10 the Seahawks trade back. Somebody that wants a QB will move up - the nice thing about the Seahawks situation is the biggest needs are not top-10 pick positions. Center and MLB often drop to 2nd or 3rd rounds, IDL are valued, but they might be able to get someone like Bresee if they trade back to the mid-first, plus add a couple day two picks.
After carter and Will the fall off on impact defensive players is huge. I just can’t see John reaching on a defensive player at 5. Looking at this draft not a spectacular draft to have this pick.

Only chance to get one of the top two defensive players is somebody loving Will Levis in one of the top 4. Only way one of those guys slide to 5.

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Re: Who do the Mocks have us taking at #5 right now

Post by HawkandMariner88 » Tue Jan 24, 2023 7:17 am

Gametime wrote:
Mon Jan 23, 2023 11:39 pm
SeattleAddict wrote:
Sun Jan 22, 2023 6:53 pm
Tyree Wilson would be a TERRIBLE pick. He's a 4-3 edge, and not that dominant. Good, yes (7 sacks)... but not #5 overall good. He doesn't fit the system, doesn't fit the need.

The Seahawks do not need another mediocre-to-good edge. They have Taylor and Mafe still on rookie contracts in that very position. If you take an edge rusher at #5, it has to be a 15-sack type of guy, not a guy that splits time with those other two.

Myles Murphy is the same situation, but a much better player.

If Carter or Anderson aren't available, and assuming Geno signs, 9/10 the Seahawks trade back. Somebody that wants a QB will move up - the nice thing about the Seahawks situation is the biggest needs are not top-10 pick positions. Center and MLB often drop to 2nd or 3rd rounds, IDL are valued, but they might be able to get someone like Bresee if they trade back to the mid-first, plus add a couple day two picks.
After carter and Will the fall off on impact defensive players is huge. I just can’t see John reaching on a defensive player at 5. Looking at this draft not a spectacular draft to have this pick.

Only chance to get one of the top two defensive players is somebody loving Will Levis in one of the top 4. Only way one of those guys slide to 5.
Still a chance Arizona surprises everybody & drafts a QB with Kyler still under contract.

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Re: Who do the Mocks have us taking at #5 right now

Post by Bil522 » Tue Jan 24, 2023 6:12 pm

HawkandMariner88 wrote:
Tue Jan 24, 2023 7:17 am
Gametime wrote:
Mon Jan 23, 2023 11:39 pm
SeattleAddict wrote:
Sun Jan 22, 2023 6:53 pm
Tyree Wilson would be a TERRIBLE pick. He's a 4-3 edge, and not that dominant. Good, yes (7 sacks)... but not #5 overall good. He doesn't fit the system, doesn't fit the need.

The Seahawks do not need another mediocre-to-good edge. They have Taylor and Mafe still on rookie contracts in that very position. If you take an edge rusher at #5, it has to be a 15-sack type of guy, not a guy that splits time with those other two.

Myles Murphy is the same situation, but a much better player.

If Carter or Anderson aren't available, and assuming Geno signs, 9/10 the Seahawks trade back. Somebody that wants a QB will move up - the nice thing about the Seahawks situation is the biggest needs are not top-10 pick positions. Center and MLB often drop to 2nd or 3rd rounds, IDL are valued, but they might be able to get someone like Bresee if they trade back to the mid-first, plus add a couple day two picks.
After carter and Will the fall off on impact defensive players is huge. I just can’t see John reaching on a defensive player at 5. Looking at this draft not a spectacular draft to have this pick.

Only chance to get one of the top two defensive players is somebody loving Will Levis in one of the top 4. Only way one of those guys slide to 5.
Still a chance Arizona surprises everybody & drafts a QB with Kyler still under contract.
Trade Kyler to ATL for #8 and 1st rounder next year. Draft a QB with 3 and work on defense with 8. Then trade up to mid twenties and draft Bijan Robinson. Kyler is a coach killer.

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Re: Who do the Mocks have us taking at #5 right now

Post by Michael K. » Tue Jan 24, 2023 8:52 pm

Bil522 wrote:
Tue Jan 24, 2023 6:12 pm
Kyler is a coach killer.
That could very well be, but Kingsburry didn't even have a .500 record in college. Not sure what he has ever done to deserve any benefit of the doubt that this catastrophe wasn't all on him. It could be that Kyler can only run one style of offense, and that is why Kliff did the things he did. But I really like listening to Mark Schlreth, and it was very interesting listening to him talk about AZ. He basically said if he played for Kliff that he and him would get into a fist fight, and that no one should play that style.

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Re: Who do the Mocks have us taking at #5 right now

Post by SeattleAddict » Wed Jan 25, 2023 3:15 am

I think this is a case where you're both right. Kingsbury is terrible, and Kyler is all about Kyler, and only Kyler.

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Re: Who do the Mocks have us taking at #5 right now

Post by Gametime » Wed Jan 25, 2023 5:54 am

Bil522 wrote:
Tue Jan 24, 2023 6:12 pm
HawkandMariner88 wrote:
Tue Jan 24, 2023 7:17 am
Gametime wrote:
Mon Jan 23, 2023 11:39 pm


After carter and Will the fall off on impact defensive players is huge. I just can’t see John reaching on a defensive player at 5. Looking at this draft not a spectacular draft to have this pick.

Only chance to get one of the top two defensive players is somebody loving Will Levis in one of the top 4. Only way one of those guys slide to 5.
Still a chance Arizona surprises everybody & drafts a QB with Kyler still under contract.
Trade Kyler to ATL for #8 and 1st rounder next year. Draft a QB with 3 and work on defense with 8. Then trade up to mid twenties and draft Bijan Robinson. Kyler is a coach killer.
I bc don’t believe it’s possible. Trading him would leave a 80 plus million cap hit. I believe in 1 year. Like russs 30 plus million.

No trade. A trade down I can see. But they will take Carter or will whoever is available. They lose watt and most likely chandler jones too. So no doubt best defender. And most certainly defense after Quinn us getting second interview.

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Re: Who do the Mocks have us taking at #5 right now

Post by D-train » Wed Jan 25, 2023 10:02 pm

By Bob Condotta
Seattle Times staff reporter
While there are still three big games left in the NFL’s 2022 season, the 2023 draft season is beginning to kick into full swing.

Specifically, what some regard as the beginning of draft season, the Senior Bowl, will be held Feb. 4 in Mobile, Alabama, with the all-important practices — when teams get a particularly close look at many of the projected top picks — held during the week.

That also makes it a good time to begin what will be regular roundups of what some of the more well-known mock drafts are projecting for Seattle.

The Seahawks hold picks five and 20 in the first round and 10 overall for the draft, set for April 27-29.

In this roundup, we’ll focus specifically on what mocks project for Seattle in the first round at Nos. 5 and 20, with my comments along the way.

Daniel Jeremiah, NFL.com
His picks: 5, edge Tyree Wilson, Texas Tech; 20, edge Will McDonald IV, Iowa State.

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His comments: Of Wilson: “Pete Carroll admitted after the season that the Seahawks needed more difference-makers in their front seven. Wilson is a tall, long and rangy pass rusher. He can also set a physical edge against the run.”

And of McDonald: “The 23-year-old has elite get-off and can really bend at the top of his rush, but he’ll need to continue to add strength at the pro level. McDonald would team up with Uchenna Nwosu and Wilson to juice up the Seahawks’ pass rush.”

My comment: Edge is undoubtedly a major need for Seattle and, as such, a popular projection for the Seahawks. A fun fact about Wilson — he initially committed to Washington State for the Class of 2018 before decommitting and going first to Texas A&M and then Texas Tech, each much closer to his home of Henderson, Texas.

Bucky Brooks, NFL.com
His picks: 5, Wilson; 20, WR Jaxon Smith-Njigba, Ohio State.

His comments: On Wilson: “Pete Carroll, whose defense ranked 26th overall this season, has been searching for a dynamic edge rusher to lead a defensive resurgence in the Pacific Northwest.”

On Smith-Njigba: “General manager John Schneider and head coach Pete Carroll use their second first-round pick to add another explosive weapon to the offense’s arsenal.”

My comment: It’s worth noting Jeremiah and Brooks have quarterbacks Bryce Young of Alabama and C.J. Stroud of Ohio State going before Seattle picks. Should one of those two still be on the board at five, Seattle might have more of a decision — especially depending on what has happened with Geno Smith by then. But assuming Smith is in the fold and Young and Stroud are gone, defense is the way almost everyone sees Seattle going at No. 5. Smith-Njigba would give Seattle a tantalizing third option at WR, something the team has struggled to find in recent years.

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Ryan Wilson, CBSSports.com
His picks: 5, Jalen Carter, Georgia; 20, CB Kelee Ringo, Georgia.

His comments: On Carter: “Jalen Carter, who was arguably the best defender on a 2021 Georgia ‘D’ that had five first-round picks, would fill a huge void in Seattle, where the defense has struggled getting after the quarterback.”

On Ringo: “The Georgia-to-first-round pipeline continues. A year after five Bulldogs went in Round 1, expect a handful this time around, too. Ringo is a long, physical corner who has matched up against some of the best players in the country.”

My comment: Carter obviously makes a ton of sense. Ringo is an intriguing prospect, but Seattle has never taken a corner higher than the third round in the Carroll/Schneider era and had great success last year in snagging Tariq Woolen in the fifth. The Seahawks also still have high hopes for Tre Brown, who didn’t play much this year after recovering from a knee injury. Cornerback may not be a need for Seattle to avidly pursue at 20 unless the team really just sees a can’t-pass-up corner there.

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Michael Renner, Pro Football Focus
His picks: 5, edge Myles Murphy, Clemson; 20, Ringo.

His comments: On Murphy: “Murphy is the most impressive athlete in this defensive line class. What he can do physically at 6-foot-5 and 275 pounds is comparable to last year’s No. 1 pick, Travon Walker. The Seahawks have been desperate for an impact edge rusher for years now, and Murphy can be that player in time.”

On Ringo: “Ringo is a Pete Carroll cornerback if I’ve ever seen one. He’s an enormous 6-foot-2, 210-pounder who should run in the low 4.3s. Stick him at the line of scrimmage and let him beat up opposing receivers all day across from Tariq Woolen. For his college career, Ringo allowed a catch on only 47.8% of targets into his coverage.”

My comment: Murphy, generally considered one of the top 10 recruits in the nation for the high school Class of 2020, lived up to all the hype at Clemson, a history that might also reassure teams he’ll be able to make a swift adjustment moving up a level yet again. As I noted above, not sure cornerback is the way Seattle would go, but Renner makes a strong case for Ringo.

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Their picks: So, here’s a mock that projects Seattle making trades with each of its first-round picks, moving down to No. 9 to take Wilson in a deal with Carolina, which takes Stroud at No. 5; and then up from No. 20 to 17 to take QB Anthony Richardson of Florida. There is no detailing what Seattle would be expected to get with the trades, however.

Their comments: On Wilson: “We had the Seahawks taking Wilson at No. 5 in our previous mock draft, and Seattle is thrilled to land him here with the ninth pick.”

And on Richardson: “Seattle moves up to make sure they get their developmental QB of the future in Richardson, who can wait behind Geno Smith for a couple of years. Richardson is ultra-talented but very raw.”

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My comment: I like the thought process here, especially assuming Seattle would get some decent draft capital in return, and especially if really able to get Wilson at No. 9. Richardson indeed seems a real boom-or-bust player, and a career touchdown-to-interception ratio of 24-15, and 17-9 last year, aren’t numbers Carroll would like much. But even assuming Smith is safely in the fold when the draft rolls around, Seattle figures to think seriously about the QBs who will be available.

James Fragoza, Pro Football Network
His picks: 5, Murphy; 20, Ringo.

His comments: On Murphy: “The Seahawks would love Carter or (Alabama edge Will) Anderson, but Myles Murphy is a freak of nature in his own right. Not dissimilar to last year’s No. 1 overall pick, Travon Walker, Murphy is already a dominant run defender but requires polishing as a pass rusher. Still, his tools at 6-5 and 275 pounds are worth banking on.”

On Ringo: “This is a dream scenario for the Seahawks. They nailed their selection of Tariq Woolen last season, and the 6’2″, 210-pound Kelee Ringo was designed to play in Seattle’s press-heavy scheme. He has his warts and inconsistencies from a technical standpoint, but it’s all there for Pete Carroll to tap into.”

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My comment: As you can see, there’s a lot of consensus in mocks about who Seattle may take with both of its first-round picks, with most focusing on defense. That makes sense given the season the Seahawks just completed and Carroll’s comments afterward about needing to upgrade the front seven in particular and the defense overall.

Mel Kiper Jr., ESPN
His picks: 5, QB Will Levis, Kentucky; 20, edge Byron Young, Tennessee.

His comments: Of Levis: “There will be a general manager in the top 10 who sees Levis’ positives over the negatives. He also is ahead of the curve in learning a pro-style offense, because that’s what he played in for the Wildcats. For the Seahawks, do they really think Geno Smith is their long-term answer? If so, they’re going to have to pay him before he hits free agency in March. If they franchise tag him, though, they could play him in 2023 as the bridge to Levis, who can take over after some seasoning as the backup.”

And of Young: “The Seahawks struggled against the run this season, and we know coach Pete Carroll loves toolsy edge defenders. L.J. Collier didn’t work out in Round 1 in 2019, but Darrell Taylor, a Round 2 pick in 2020, is coming off a breakout 9.5-sack season. Bruce Irvin made his way back to the team in 2022 too. Young, another prospect who will be at the Senior Bowl, is intriguing. At 6-3, 245 pounds, he fits the mold of what Carroll wants from a front-seven defender, and he has some pass-rush upside. He had seven sacks and 13.5 total tackles for loss in 2022, showing off advanced moves. The Seahawks knocked their 2022 class out of the park, and a home run in 2023 could set them up for another long run of success.”

My comment: What happens with Smith will obviously dictate how interested Seattle would be in a quarterback at pick five. But is Levis worth that risk that high? As for Young, he’ll be 25 on March 13 and many view him as a player who is more likely to slip into the second round — Pro Football Focus referred to him as a “developmental wildcard.” Seattle may want A, someone bigger and younger; and B, someone who might be a surer thing.
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Re: Who do the Mocks have us taking at #5 right now

Post by SeattleAddict » Thu Jan 26, 2023 12:50 am

D-train wrote:
Wed Jan 25, 2023 10:02 pm
By Bob Condotta
Seattle Times staff reporter
While there are still three big games left in the NFL’s 2022 season, the 2023 draft season is beginning to kick into full swing.

Specifically, what some regard as the beginning of draft season, the Senior Bowl, will be held Feb. 4 in Mobile, Alabama, with the all-important practices — when teams get a particularly close look at many of the projected top picks — held during the week.

That also makes it a good time to begin what will be regular roundups of what some of the more well-known mock drafts are projecting for Seattle.

The Seahawks hold picks five and 20 in the first round and 10 overall for the draft, set for April 27-29.

In this roundup, we’ll focus specifically on what mocks project for Seattle in the first round at Nos. 5 and 20, with my comments along the way.

Daniel Jeremiah, NFL.com
His picks: 5, edge Tyree Wilson, Texas Tech; 20, edge Will McDonald IV, Iowa State.

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His comments: Of Wilson: “Pete Carroll admitted after the season that the Seahawks needed more difference-makers in their front seven. Wilson is a tall, long and rangy pass rusher. He can also set a physical edge against the run.”

And of McDonald: “The 23-year-old has elite get-off and can really bend at the top of his rush, but he’ll need to continue to add strength at the pro level. McDonald would team up with Uchenna Nwosu and Wilson to juice up the Seahawks’ pass rush.”

My comment: Edge is undoubtedly a major need for Seattle and, as such, a popular projection for the Seahawks. A fun fact about Wilson — he initially committed to Washington State for the Class of 2018 before decommitting and going first to Texas A&M and then Texas Tech, each much closer to his home of Henderson, Texas.

Bucky Brooks, NFL.com
His picks: 5, Wilson; 20, WR Jaxon Smith-Njigba, Ohio State.

His comments: On Wilson: “Pete Carroll, whose defense ranked 26th overall this season, has been searching for a dynamic edge rusher to lead a defensive resurgence in the Pacific Northwest.”

On Smith-Njigba: “General manager John Schneider and head coach Pete Carroll use their second first-round pick to add another explosive weapon to the offense’s arsenal.”

My comment: It’s worth noting Jeremiah and Brooks have quarterbacks Bryce Young of Alabama and C.J. Stroud of Ohio State going before Seattle picks. Should one of those two still be on the board at five, Seattle might have more of a decision — especially depending on what has happened with Geno Smith by then. But assuming Smith is in the fold and Young and Stroud are gone, defense is the way almost everyone sees Seattle going at No. 5. Smith-Njigba would give Seattle a tantalizing third option at WR, something the team has struggled to find in recent years.

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Ryan Wilson, CBSSports.com
His picks: 5, Jalen Carter, Georgia; 20, CB Kelee Ringo, Georgia.

His comments: On Carter: “Jalen Carter, who was arguably the best defender on a 2021 Georgia ‘D’ that had five first-round picks, would fill a huge void in Seattle, where the defense has struggled getting after the quarterback.”

On Ringo: “The Georgia-to-first-round pipeline continues. A year after five Bulldogs went in Round 1, expect a handful this time around, too. Ringo is a long, physical corner who has matched up against some of the best players in the country.”

My comment: Carter obviously makes a ton of sense. Ringo is an intriguing prospect, but Seattle has never taken a corner higher than the third round in the Carroll/Schneider era and had great success last year in snagging Tariq Woolen in the fifth. The Seahawks also still have high hopes for Tre Brown, who didn’t play much this year after recovering from a knee injury. Cornerback may not be a need for Seattle to avidly pursue at 20 unless the team really just sees a can’t-pass-up corner there.

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Michael Renner, Pro Football Focus
His picks: 5, edge Myles Murphy, Clemson; 20, Ringo.

His comments: On Murphy: “Murphy is the most impressive athlete in this defensive line class. What he can do physically at 6-foot-5 and 275 pounds is comparable to last year’s No. 1 pick, Travon Walker. The Seahawks have been desperate for an impact edge rusher for years now, and Murphy can be that player in time.”

On Ringo: “Ringo is a Pete Carroll cornerback if I’ve ever seen one. He’s an enormous 6-foot-2, 210-pounder who should run in the low 4.3s. Stick him at the line of scrimmage and let him beat up opposing receivers all day across from Tariq Woolen. For his college career, Ringo allowed a catch on only 47.8% of targets into his coverage.”

My comment: Murphy, generally considered one of the top 10 recruits in the nation for the high school Class of 2020, lived up to all the hype at Clemson, a history that might also reassure teams he’ll be able to make a swift adjustment moving up a level yet again. As I noted above, not sure cornerback is the way Seattle would go, but Renner makes a strong case for Ringo.

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Their picks: So, here’s a mock that projects Seattle making trades with each of its first-round picks, moving down to No. 9 to take Wilson in a deal with Carolina, which takes Stroud at No. 5; and then up from No. 20 to 17 to take QB Anthony Richardson of Florida. There is no detailing what Seattle would be expected to get with the trades, however.

Their comments: On Wilson: “We had the Seahawks taking Wilson at No. 5 in our previous mock draft, and Seattle is thrilled to land him here with the ninth pick.”

And on Richardson: “Seattle moves up to make sure they get their developmental QB of the future in Richardson, who can wait behind Geno Smith for a couple of years. Richardson is ultra-talented but very raw.”

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My comment: I like the thought process here, especially assuming Seattle would get some decent draft capital in return, and especially if really able to get Wilson at No. 9. Richardson indeed seems a real boom-or-bust player, and a career touchdown-to-interception ratio of 24-15, and 17-9 last year, aren’t numbers Carroll would like much. But even assuming Smith is safely in the fold when the draft rolls around, Seattle figures to think seriously about the QBs who will be available.

James Fragoza, Pro Football Network
His picks: 5, Murphy; 20, Ringo.

His comments: On Murphy: “The Seahawks would love Carter or (Alabama edge Will) Anderson, but Myles Murphy is a freak of nature in his own right. Not dissimilar to last year’s No. 1 overall pick, Travon Walker, Murphy is already a dominant run defender but requires polishing as a pass rusher. Still, his tools at 6-5 and 275 pounds are worth banking on.”

On Ringo: “This is a dream scenario for the Seahawks. They nailed their selection of Tariq Woolen last season, and the 6’2″, 210-pound Kelee Ringo was designed to play in Seattle’s press-heavy scheme. He has his warts and inconsistencies from a technical standpoint, but it’s all there for Pete Carroll to tap into.”

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My comment: As you can see, there’s a lot of consensus in mocks about who Seattle may take with both of its first-round picks, with most focusing on defense. That makes sense given the season the Seahawks just completed and Carroll’s comments afterward about needing to upgrade the front seven in particular and the defense overall.

Mel Kiper Jr., ESPN
His picks: 5, QB Will Levis, Kentucky; 20, edge Byron Young, Tennessee.

His comments: Of Levis: “There will be a general manager in the top 10 who sees Levis’ positives over the negatives. He also is ahead of the curve in learning a pro-style offense, because that’s what he played in for the Wildcats. For the Seahawks, do they really think Geno Smith is their long-term answer? If so, they’re going to have to pay him before he hits free agency in March. If they franchise tag him, though, they could play him in 2023 as the bridge to Levis, who can take over after some seasoning as the backup.”

And of Young: “The Seahawks struggled against the run this season, and we know coach Pete Carroll loves toolsy edge defenders. L.J. Collier didn’t work out in Round 1 in 2019, but Darrell Taylor, a Round 2 pick in 2020, is coming off a breakout 9.5-sack season. Bruce Irvin made his way back to the team in 2022 too. Young, another prospect who will be at the Senior Bowl, is intriguing. At 6-3, 245 pounds, he fits the mold of what Carroll wants from a front-seven defender, and he has some pass-rush upside. He had seven sacks and 13.5 total tackles for loss in 2022, showing off advanced moves. The Seahawks knocked their 2022 class out of the park, and a home run in 2023 could set them up for another long run of success.”

My comment: What happens with Smith will obviously dictate how interested Seattle would be in a quarterback at pick five. But is Levis worth that risk that high? As for Young, he’ll be 25 on March 13 and many view him as a player who is more likely to slip into the second round — Pro Football Focus referred to him as a “developmental wildcard.” Seattle may want A, someone bigger and younger; and B, someone who might be a surer thing.
Every one of these is nightmare fuel for me. Reach for a mediocre edge, pick a highly overrated QB, and even Ringo is overrated (though he might be pretty good... just some people have him going top 8, which I think is insane. Sauce, he is not). Why does everybody think we need an EDGE so badly?? We could use a TJ Watt, Micah Parsons or Joey Bosa, but other than Anderson, there are none of those types out there. These "experts" are full of shit, and hopefully PC/JS are not.

Look closely at each one of these scenarios... assuming Geno comes back, other than the one with Carter, not one of them includes getting a starter out of TWO first round picks. Fuck the living Hell out of that.

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Re: Who do the Mocks have us taking at #5 right now

Post by D-train » Thu Jan 26, 2023 12:04 pm

Yeah I knew you would love those.... :)
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