CFP ranking thread

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Re: CFP ranking thread

Post by Walla Walla Dawg II » Tue Nov 21, 2023 5:20 pm

I don't know about that?
Can you even touch the net anymore?

Have a couple season-ending injuries in the OSU/MU game and anything is possible.....yes I am that way. :evil:

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Re: CFP ranking thread

Post by Captain 97 » Tue Nov 21, 2023 10:11 pm

Florida State's QB is out for the year. I don't see anyway they win the ACC championship game. They might not even bet Florida this week.

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Re: CFP ranking thread

Post by D-train » Tue Nov 21, 2023 10:30 pm

Captain 97 wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2023 10:11 pm
Florida State's QB is out for the year. I don't see anyway they win the ACC championship game. They might not even bet Florida this week.
Does the CFP committee take that into account tonight or is it just based on resume?
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Re: CFP ranking thread

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Re: CFP ranking thread

Post by Captain 97 » Wed Nov 22, 2023 12:40 am

D-train wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2023 10:30 pm
Captain 97 wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2023 10:11 pm
Florida State's QB is out for the year. I don't see anyway they win the ACC championship game. They might not even bet Florida this week.
Does the CFP committee take that into account tonight or is it just based on resume?
According to their guidelines they can take unavailibility of key players into account. click on Principles on the right side.

https://collegefootballplayoff.com/spor ... tocol.aspx

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Re: CFP ranking thread

Post by D-train » Wed Nov 22, 2023 12:08 pm

Corrigan said the committee did not want to project how FSU would look in future weeks with Travis on the sideline. The group's job is to evaluate these teams based on where they are right now. However, Corrigan noted that player availability can be taken into account ahead of the final rankings, which will be decided following conference championship weekend.
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Re: CFP ranking thread

Post by Michael K. » Wed Nov 22, 2023 3:08 pm

D-train wrote:
Wed Nov 22, 2023 12:08 pm
Corrigan said the committee did not want to project how FSU would look in future weeks with Travis on the sideline. The group's job is to evaluate these teams based on where they are right now. However, Corrigan noted that player availability can be taken into account ahead of the final rankings, which will be decided following conference championship weekend.
They are full of shit. How in the fuck does no one ask, after THAT bullshit statement, how they justified having UW out with their resume in weeks prior.? The entire thing is a joke.

The ONLY reason having a two team playoff, the BCS, ever made sense? Was because the way they did it before, with polls after random bowl games where the best teams didn’t play, was so ridiculous. The only reason four teams made ANY sense is it was better than two.

The NCAA is a joke that needs to be done away with. Wrinkly old men making piles of money off the backs of kids under the disguise of education!

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Re: CFP ranking thread

Post by Walla Walla Dawg II » Wed Nov 22, 2023 3:22 pm

A pretty good article from, Saturday Out West



Here are 5 takeaways from the Nov. 21 version of the Playoff poll:

1. Florida State got bumped because of Washington’s Oregon State win, though the selection committee went about that in a weird way
The only shakeup within the top 10 was Florida State dropped to No. 5 and Washington moved up to No. 4. That’s significant for a couple of reasons. Washington got that love after going on the road and beating Oregon State while FSU dealt with devastating the Jordan Travis injury in a blowout win over an FCS foe.

So did the selection committee actually knock FSU because of Travis going down? I don’t believe it did, despite the timing of it. This was more about the respect given to Washington for beating a respected Oregon State team that the selection committee had at No. 11 at the time of the matchup. The strange thing was that the selection committee dropped the Beavers 5 spots down to No. 16 for a 2-point loss against undefeated Washington.

So which was it — did Washington have a big-time win or is Oregon State not as good as what the selection committee felt at this time last week? It’s complicated. Let’s not forget that fellow 3-loss team Arizona beat Oregon State a few weeks ago, so that gave the Wildcats the advantage in the rankings.

For now, I’m going to assume that regardless of what Boo Corrigan says, this was more about Washington building that résumé than it was about projecting a post-FSU version of Travis.


2. Alabama and Texas should be ranked ahead of Oregon
Sorry. It needs to be said. Oregon passes the eye test, yes, and that average margin vs. Power 5 competition (+23.2) reflects that, but it doesn’t have a single win against the current Playoff Top 25. The Ducks’ best wins are against 4-loss teams, they didn’t have red-hot Arizona on the schedule, they don’t face Oregon State until this weekend and they lost fair and square to Washington.

Compare that to fellow 1-loss team Alabama, who beat No. 12 Ole Miss, No. 14 LSU and No. 21 Tennessee.

Or compare that to fellow 1-loss team Texas, who beat No. 8 Alabama and No. 19 Kansas State.

It’s great that Oregon has looked the part against lesser foes. It’s not great that the Ducks’ résumé hasn’t aged well and unlike fellow “cake schedule” Michigan, they haven’t been knocked for it.

(By the way, both Michigan and Oregon are sitting there with just 3 victories against Power 5 teams with winning records while Alabama and Texas have 5 and 4, respectively.

As much as everyone wants to say “it’ll all play itself out,” we’re heading closer and closer to 1-loss résumés being picked apart. Oregon continued to be given a pass as the top 1-loss team, which should frustrate Tide and Longhorn fans.


3. Unlike last year, it’s becoming clear that Michigan-Ohio State is a Playoff quarterfinal game
To the surprise of no one, the selection committee didn’t make an unnecessary change to No. 2 Ohio State and No. 3 Michigan.

No disrespect to Iowa, but I won’t hold my breath on a Big Ten West team winning in Indy. Hence, why Saturday’s showdown in Ann Arbor feels like a Playoff quarterfinal game that’ll likely eliminate an unbeaten team from the field.

The Big Ten is partially responsible for that. If there were 6 teams in the Top 25 instead of 4, this might be a different conversation. Then again, it’s equally significant that Notre Dame turned into a 3-loss team and Michigan’s nonconference slate … well, it existed.

With 9 Power 5 teams sitting there with 0 or 1 loss, this doesn’t feel like the year in which a non-division winner will have a path to the Playoff. More on that in a second.


4. Louisville sitting at No. 10 ranking is telling
Here’s a fun fact. Louisville has more victories against Power 5 teams with a winning record (6) than any remaining Playoff contender.

Here’s another fun fact. Louisville has the worst loss of any remaining Playoff contender, and it’s not even close.

It feels like the latter continues to hold Jeff Brohm’s program behind 2-loss Mizzou. Is that fair? It depends on who you ask. The issue for Louisville is that as great as it is to be a 1-loss Power 5 team heading into Rivalry Week, the path to the Playoff is filled with roadblock after roadblock.

There are 5 Power 5 teams with unbeaten records, perhaps all of whom could suffer a loss in the final 1-2 games and still be ranked ahead of Louisville. Also, if the Cardinals beat FSU in the ACC Championship, the narrative will be that it only happened because of the Travis injury.

It wouldn’t have probably mattered a whole lot if Louisville switched spots with Mizzou following the win at Miami, but the fact that we didn’t even get that feels like the hay is very much in the barn on how the selection committee feels about that Playoff path.


5. Appreciate the fact that every conference feels like it still deserves a seat at the table
For the first time since Year 1 of the 4-team Playoff, every Power 5 conference is heading into Rivalry Week feeling like it has a shot. That’s the way it should be. That’s not the way it usually is.

But it’s good for the national popularity of the sport that there are 9 remaining Power 5 teams with 0 or 1 loss, and this is the breakdown by conference:

ACC: 2 (FSU, Louisville)
Big Ten: 2 (Michigan, Ohio State)
Big 12: 1 (Texas)
Pac-12: 2 (Washington, Oregon)
SEC: 2 (Georgia, Alabama)
When this system was created, some assumed that would be the norm. In reality, it’s been far more the exception than the rule. Will we get the chaotic weekend that this season has been waiting for?

Rivalry Week is as good a time as ever.

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Re: CFP ranking thread

Post by Fungo » Wed Nov 22, 2023 5:54 pm

Michael K. wrote:
Wed Nov 22, 2023 3:08 pm
D-train wrote:
Wed Nov 22, 2023 12:08 pm
Corrigan said the committee did not want to project how FSU would look in future weeks with Travis on the sideline. The group's job is to evaluate these teams based on where they are right now. However, Corrigan noted that player availability can be taken into account ahead of the final rankings, which will be decided following conference championship weekend.
They are full of shit. How in the fuck does no one ask, after THAT bullshit statement, how they justified having UW out with their resume in weeks prior.? The entire thing is a joke.

The ONLY reason having a two team playoff, the BCS, ever made sense? Was because the way they did it before, with polls after random bowl games where the best teams didn’t play, was so ridiculous. The only reason four teams made ANY sense is it was better than two.

The NCAA is a joke that needs to be done away with. Wrinkly old men making piles of money off the backs of kids under the disguise of education!
No truer words have been spoken. And I am a wrinkly old man! :(

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Re: CFP ranking thread

Post by Michael K. » Wed Nov 22, 2023 6:30 pm

Walla Walla Dawg II wrote:
Wed Nov 22, 2023 3:22 pm

1. Florida State got bumped because of Washington’s Oregon State win, though the selection committee went about that in a weird way
The only shakeup within the top 10 was Florida State dropped to No. 5 and Washington moved up to No. 4. That’s significant for a couple of reasons. Washington got that love after going on the road and beating Oregon State while FSU dealt with devastating the Jordan Travis injury in a blowout win over an FCS foe.

So did the selection committee actually knock FSU because of Travis going down? I don’t believe it did, despite the timing of it. This was more about the respect given to Washington for beating a respected Oregon State team that the selection committee had at No. 11 at the time of the matchup. The strange thing was that the selection committee dropped the Beavers 5 spots down to No. 16 for a 2-point loss against undefeated Washington.

So which was it — did Washington have a big-time win or is Oregon State not as good as what the selection committee felt at this time last week? It’s complicated. Let’s not forget that fellow 3-loss team Arizona beat Oregon State a few weeks ago, so that gave the Wildcats the advantage in the rankings.

For now, I’m going to assume that regardless of what Boo Corrigan says, this was more about Washington building that résumé than it was about projecting a post-FSU version of Travis.
Complete and utter Bullshit. Somehow, beating OSU meant more than beating Oregon, USC, Utah and Arizona? All teams that were either in the Top 25 when we beat them or in the Top 25 now? Again, fuck the NCAA. I can't wait for such time as the SEC and Big gives them the middle finger and has their own Football league.
Walla Walla Dawg II wrote:
Wed Nov 22, 2023 3:22 pm
2. Alabama and Texas should be ranked ahead of Oregon
Sorry. It needs to be said. Oregon passes the eye test, yes, and that average margin vs. Power 5 competition (+23.2) reflects that, but it doesn’t have a single win against the current Playoff Top 25. The Ducks’ best wins are against 4-loss teams, they didn’t have red-hot Arizona on the schedule, they don’t face Oregon State until this weekend and they lost fair and square to Washington.

Compare that to fellow 1-loss team Alabama, who beat No. 12 Ole Miss, No. 14 LSU and No. 21 Tennessee.

Or compare that to fellow 1-loss team Texas, who beat No. 8 Alabama and No. 19 Kansas State.

It’s great that Oregon has looked the part against lesser foes. It’s not great that the Ducks’ résumé hasn’t aged well and unlike fellow “cake schedule” Michigan, they haven’t been knocked for it.

(By the way, both Michigan and Oregon are sitting there with just 3 victories against Power 5 teams with winning records while Alabama and Texas have 5 and 4, respectively.

As much as everyone wants to say “it’ll all play itself out,” we’re heading closer and closer to 1-loss résumés being picked apart. Oregon continued to be given a pass as the top 1-loss team, which should frustrate Tide and Longhorn fans.
Is Utah no longer in the top 25? What drives me nuts here is that when teams like Utah and USC fall out, they call the Conference weak. In the SEC they would talk about how tough the Conference is and how they beat each other up.
Walla Walla Dawg II wrote:
Wed Nov 22, 2023 3:22 pm
3. Unlike last year, it’s becoming clear that Michigan-Ohio State is a Playoff quarterfinal game
To the surprise of no one, the selection committee didn’t make an unnecessary change to No. 2 Ohio State and No. 3 Michigan.

No disrespect to Iowa, but I won’t hold my breath on a Big Ten West team winning in Indy. Hence, why Saturday’s showdown in Ann Arbor feels like a Playoff quarterfinal game that’ll likely eliminate an unbeaten team from the field.

The Big Ten is partially responsible for that. If there were 6 teams in the Top 25 instead of 4, this might be a different conversation. Then again, it’s equally significant that Notre Dame turned into a 3-loss team and Michigan’s nonconference slate … well, it existed.

With 9 Power 5 teams sitting there with 0 or 1 loss, this doesn’t feel like the year in which a non-division winner will have a path to the Playoff. More on that in a second.
Michigan needs to take WAY more heat for their pathetic Non Conference schedule.
Walla Walla Dawg II wrote:
Wed Nov 22, 2023 3:22 pm
4. Louisville sitting at No. 10 ranking is telling
Here’s a fun fact. Louisville has more victories against Power 5 teams with a winning record (6) than any remaining Playoff contender.

Here’s another fun fact. Louisville has the worst loss of any remaining Playoff contender, and it’s not even close.

It feels like the latter continues to hold Jeff Brohm’s program behind 2-loss Mizzou. Is that fair? It depends on who you ask. The issue for Louisville is that as great as it is to be a 1-loss Power 5 team heading into Rivalry Week, the path to the Playoff is filled with roadblock after roadblock.

There are 5 Power 5 teams with unbeaten records, perhaps all of whom could suffer a loss in the final 1-2 games and still be ranked ahead of Louisville. Also, if the Cardinals beat FSU in the ACC Championship, the narrative will be that it only happened because of the Travis injury.

It wouldn’t have probably mattered a whole lot if Louisville switched spots with Mizzou following the win at Miami, but the fact that we didn’t even get that feels like the hay is very much in the barn on how the selection committee feels about that Playoff path.
The ACC sucks ass. Nothing to see here. LOL
Walla Walla Dawg II wrote:
Wed Nov 22, 2023 3:22 pm
5. Appreciate the fact that every conference feels like it still deserves a seat at the table
For the first time since Year 1 of the 4-team Playoff, every Power 5 conference is heading into Rivalry Week feeling like it has a shot. That’s the way it should be. That’s not the way it usually is.

But it’s good for the national popularity of the sport that there are 9 remaining Power 5 teams with 0 or 1 loss, and this is the breakdown by conference:

ACC: 2 (FSU, Louisville)
Big Ten: 2 (Michigan, Ohio State)
Big 12: 1 (Texas)
Pac-12: 2 (Washington, Oregon)
SEC: 2 (Georgia, Alabama)
When this system was created, some assumed that would be the norm. In reality, it’s been far more the exception than the rule. Will we get the chaotic weekend that this season has been waiting for?

Rivalry Week is as good a time as ever.
All the more reason that taking four teams is the dumbest shit since taking two teams which was the dumbest shit since deciding a national championship with no one playing each other and bunch of dipshits voting on who is best.

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