USC and UCLA plan to leave P12 as soon as 2024

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Re: USC and UCLA plan to leave P12 as soon as 2024

Post by D-train » Wed Jul 06, 2022 10:55 am

I wonder if we will schedule non con games with UCLA or USC. If so then not a lot would change because we usually only play one of them per year.

I predict this isn't going to the the Massive deal some think it is. We aren't going to be playing in a mid major conference or the Big 10 for example.

Pluck two teams like BYU and Ok St. and play UCLA or USC in a non con game every year and very little will actually change. Will still be the P12 and only difference is the UCLA/USC game won't be a conference game. No big whup.
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Re: USC and UCLA plan to leave P12 as soon as 2024

Post by D-train » Wed Jul 06, 2022 4:28 pm

Here are all the options. Once again the hyper focus on travel is So overblown. We are talking 3-4 trips to the midwest a year vs. 5-6 to AZ, Colorado, Utah and if Oregon goes too we would still have that easy trip every other year. That is like and extra 10-12 hours of travel a season or 3-4 a month. Who fucking cares. These people act like the players travel to games in covered wagons vs. Jet airplanes.
By Mike Vorel
Seattle Times staff reporter
Notre Dame is the most valuable free-agent commodity in college football.

And potentially, its most destructive domino.

If the Irish elect to join the Big Ten Conference — which last week poached USC and UCLA from the perhaps mortally wounded Pac-12 — the Big Ten (er, Big Seventeen?) would then add either one or three additional members to maintain even numbers.

Would Washington earn an invaluable invite? And if the Irish continue to cling to their independence, what happens then? Would the Big Ten continue its westward expansion, or settle — for now — with 16 schools?

Of course, that answer would accompany additional questions. If the Big Ten’s door stays shut, where does that leave UW? The Big 12? The Pac-12? The ACC or SEC?

As UW’s athletic future stalls at a conference crossroads, let’s examine each conceivable landing spot.

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Big Ten Conference
For UW, this is the best-case scenario. Big Ten membership would provide financial stability, as each school is expected to net roughly $100 million annually in the conference’s next media rights deal. (For context, the Pac-12 distributed just $19.8 million to each school in 2021 — that number diminished by the COVID-19 pandemic — after splitting $33.6 million apiece in 2020.)

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It’s true, entry into the Big Ten would leave the Huskies with legitimate travel headaches, both in football and the department’s other athletic programs. Outside of USC and UCLA (and any other Pac-12 program the Big Ten might poach), their closest competition would be Nebraska — located nearly 1,700 miles away.

Still — for the players and coaches, though not for the fans — that’s nothing a charter flight won’t fix.

The Big Ten also offers the most realistic route to the College Football Playoff, with the Big Ten and SEC establishing themselves as college football’s dominant conferences. The feeling is that those two conferences will eventually absorb the country’s most valuable programs, form a super league and stage an exclusive playoff … with the excluded universities forced to fend for themselves.

Whether now, a year from now or five years from now, Washington will want to be included in the Big Boys Club.

But will the Big Ten want Washington? Multiple reports have suggested if Notre Dame doesn’t eventually join, the Big Ten is content to stay at 16 — for now. And even if the Irish do become Big Ten bedfellows, there’s no guarantee UW will earn an invite. The Big Ten might prefer to pair Notre Dame with Stanford — its longtime rival — and add the Cardinal’s academic prestige and Bay Area television market. Or it might only add Oregon, acquiring Phil Knight’s coveted coffers.

Ultimately, does UW provide the Big Ten enough annual value to justify its inclusion? If not, the Huskies could agree to accept a smaller share of conference revenue for an established period, as Maryland and Rutgers did when they entered the conference in 2014. But that still might not be enough to sweeten the pot.

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It’s also possible USC and UCLA might play defense against the Big Ten’s addition of UW (or Oregon, or Stanford), in order to maintain a recruiting advantage out west.

UW certainly has plenty to sell — namely, its tradition, its history, its academic credentials and its television market. But will that be enough?

If it isn’t, Jen Cohen and Co. might be forced to consider Plan B (or C, or D).

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Big 12 Conference
It’s time to talk about the battle for No. 3.

The Big Ten and SEC are, and will continue to be, the top two conferences in college football. We already know that. But there might be an opportunity for the Big 12, ACC or Pac-12 to emerge as the clear No. 3 conference in the country.

For the Big 12 to do that, it would need to raid its primary competition — the Pac-12. Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado and Utah are obvious regional fits (and the conference would love to reunite in-state rivals Utah and BYU). But UW and Oregon would present the biggest prizes of all. The Big 12 is in discussions to add all six programs, CBS reported Tuesday.

Granted, there’s nothing the Big 12 could do to place itself on an even plane with the Big Ten and SEC. But a conference comprising UW, Oregon, Utah, the Arizonas, Oklahoma State and four Texas programs (Baylor, TCU, Texas Tech and Houston) would be undeniably valuable in its own right when the Big 12’s media rights agreement expires following the 2024 football season.

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Of course, this isn’t a perfect plan. For UW, a conference road game in Lubbock, Texas, doesn’t exactly move the needle (though it would allow the Huskies to continue enthusiastically recruiting the state). The Big 12 also can’t offer the same academic reputation as the Pac-12 (or the Big Ten, for that matter).

But we’re past the point of perfect plans.

Pac-12 Conference
The Pac-12 announced Tuesday that its board of directors has authorized the conference to immediately begin negotiations for its next media rights deal, set to begin in 2024.

Essentially, the conference needs to quickly convince UW, Oregon and others why it’s financially viable to commit to the conference long-term. And it won’t do that simply by adding San Diego State, Boise State or Fresno State.

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Analysis: With survival at stake, Pac-12 should consider merging with the ACC
For the Pac-12 to survive, it must keep UW and Oregon and either poach the Big 12, merge with the Big 12 or form a bicoastal super conference/partnership with the ACC. ESPN — which, along with Fox, has an exclusive negotiating window as existing partners — could theoretically bankroll an expansion or merger (and also owns the ACC’s rights). John Canzano reported Tuesday that the Pac-12 is considering a “loose partnership” with another conference, presumably the ACC or Big 12.

According to Canzano, a Pac-12-ACC partnership could include a shared media rights deal with ESPN, a Pac-12 vs. ACC championship game in Las Vegas, and attractive regular season crossover games in football and men’s basketball. Of course, it could also implode if ACC properties like Clemson or Miami eventually clear legal hurdles (more on that later) to flock to the SEC.

A UW athletic department source told The Times on Tuesday that “it’s a reasonable question to ask” whether the ACC might be interested in such a partnership.

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If money didn’t matter, UW would prefer to maintain regional ties to Oregon, Washington State, Oregon State, etc.

But given USC and UCLA’s decisions, it seems — more than ever — that money matters most.

Southeastern Conference
OK, so here’s the Hail Mary.

Say the SEC sees the Big Ten add USC, UCLA and possibly more, and decides to make a counter move. Several ACC programs — like Clemson, Miami, North Carolina and Florida State — would be obvious regional options, but the ACC’s grant of rights ties those programs together through the end of its ESPN contract in 2036. It’s possible an ACC program could fight for its freedom in court, but the SEC is likely unenthusiastic (for now) about the prospect of a lengthy legal battle.

So … could the SEC look west?

Theoretically, adding UW or Oregon would bring with it new television markets and audiences. The travel issues would be significant, but that’s not stopping USC and UCLA. In turn, the SEC would provide Washington a financially lucrative and competitively elite conference to plant its flag.

Such a move, of course, is exceedingly unlikely.

But in the current state of college football, it’s not impossible.
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Re: USC and UCLA plan to leave P12 as soon as 2024

Post by Captain 97 » Wed Jul 06, 2022 5:14 pm

what a giant cluster. between this, the revolving door of the transfer portal and the paying players. I think college football is going to be a shell of its former self within the next 20 years. It is literally imploding before our eyes.

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Re: USC and UCLA plan to leave P12 as soon as 2024

Post by D-train » Wed Jul 06, 2022 5:17 pm

Captain 97 wrote:
Wed Jul 06, 2022 5:14 pm
what a giant cluster. between this, the revolving door of the transfer portal and the paying players. I think college football is going to be a shell of its former self within the next 20 years. It is literally imploding before our eyes.
Yep, now this is a perfect example of "Bulls make money, bears make money, pigs get slaughtered"
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Re: USC and UCLA plan to leave P12 as soon as 2024

Post by ddraig » Fri Jul 08, 2022 12:04 am

I could see the Big-12 for Washington, Oregon, Arizona and ASU. That would get them up to 16. I'd then add Utah, Colorado, Stanford, and Cal. Thus a pretty good Conference but with 20 members. Not certain that would work. The trick would be which existing members of the Big-12 would want to move to the old Pac-12 teams? Or, you can move six members of the Big-12 into a Division with Washington, Oregon, Stanford, and Cal. That may be a better option, with AZ, ASU, Colorado, and Utah going with the remaining six Big-12 schools.

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Re: USC and UCLA plan to leave P12 as soon as 2024

Post by Walla Walla Dawg II » Mon Aug 01, 2022 1:52 pm

I was just thinking about it; Doesn't the Pac-12 have the ability to suspend teams that cross a line? If they do, they should suspend both USC and UCLA the entire season.

Just think of the recruits jumping ship.

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Re: USC and UCLA plan to leave P12 as soon as 2024

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Re: USC and UCLA plan to leave P12 as soon as 2024

Post by Pharmabro » Mon Oct 10, 2022 11:13 pm

And as a giant slap in the face both the turncoats are undefeated and the only 2 unbeatens left.

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