Who will win the presidential election

[bpj]

As Codemonkey wrote, with a two hour debate and six contested states that's 12 hours. The GOP can run out the clock and force the decision over to the House. Very interesting... now it's Biden who is the one running out of time.

Pence has been outed as a traitor in my view. Actions speak louder than words and Mike failed to act when he had a chance to stop the fraud. Then he planned to skip the country right after the vote to confirm Biden. His ties to globalist pedophiles... the part he played in the plot to remove Trump via the 25th amendment... all of this makes Pence guilty of sedition in the least.

The numbers are growing each day in support of investigating the election which means that Trump is destined to remain in office. The establishment would be wise to concede to the audit Cruz proposed instead of letting the drama play out in the Senate. If 47% of the country believes the election was stolen, and it was, after the 12 hour debate marathon the majority of Americans will believe the truth.

With all due respect to you for the expression of your opinion, you and Codemonkey are living in a dream world. I don’t know how a person with the intelligence you have actually believe in such fantasies. Wednesday will be one more big flop in Trumps attempt to fix the travesty that has taken place. The media will condense the entire presentation into a final pathetic attempt to steal the election by Trump and his bungling lawyers. Regardless of the evidence it will be ignored by all the media and only those who venture onto the right leaning blogs and websites will be emboldened in their feelings that the Dems stole the election. The coup has taken place. It’s over. As much as I would like Trump to continue in office it’s just not going to happen.

Have other people read/listened to the call between President Trump and Georgia Secretary of State Raffensperger (along with others)? I don't understand why, if the evidence is so convincing that people voted illegally, or the evidence is so convincing that ballots being brought in illegally, etc., why Trump was asking Raffensperger to "find" votes for him. Ryan Germany, who I believe is the General Counsel for the Georgia Secretary of State's office, was in the conversation and was specific at several points saying that allegations (such as people voting who had moved out of state) have been investigated and found not to be true.

People, it's 2 months since the election! Smart people *should* have produced a concise report of fraud weeks ago, if it existed. I did not vote for Trump, but my mind is open to the possibility of fraud. I just don't see it. Trump is repeating the same things that are being repeated on the right leaning sites and youtube videos. It doesn't make it true. I really am confident that if there were convincing proof of fraud, Raffensperger and AG Barr and Mitch McConnell and Tom Cotton would be all over it. Instead, for some people, anyone who dares to break with the party line (i.e., that Trump won the election) is being called a traitor. It seems like circular reasoning to me.

Does anyone really believe that if Trump had solid evidence of fraud, that the best he could do would be a request to "find votes"?

Did you listen to the full call or the medias super cut?

[HawkBowler 2.0]

Have other people read/listened to the call between President Trump and Georgia Secretary of State Raffensperger (along with others)? I don't understand why, if the evidence is so convincing that people voted illegally, or the evidence is so convincing that ballots being brought in illegally, etc., why Trump was asking Raffensperger to "find" votes for him.

Great question. Trump was offering the Ratburger an easy way out. The state has thousands of uncounted votes for Trump. All he needs is 11,000 to be declared the winner of the state.

Whenever there's a disagreement between two people the person who asks the most questions wins.

Who asks all the questions in that phone call? Why doesn't Brad have the answers? Trump is right about the people being furious. Why wouldn't a Republican agree to an audit that would confirm what he's telling people? He should be compelled to do that but he's not. And why? An audit will reveal his part of the fraud. It's the only explanation that makes sense.

[HawkBowler 2.0]

Does anyone really believe that if Trump had solid evidence of fraud, that the best he could do would be a request to "find votes"?

You need to listen to the full hour call like bpj wrote. All of your questions will be answered. Ratburger has the option of finding votes for Trump to stop the investigations that are now going in his direction. Brad is not backing down because he can't back down. He's part of the coup conspiracy along with Governor Kemp.

[gil]

Does anyone really believe that if Trump had solid evidence of fraud, that the best he could do would be a request to "find votes"?

You need to listen to the full hour call like bpj wrote. All of your questions will be answered. Ratburger has the option of finding votes for Trump to stop the investigations that are now going in his direction. Brad is not backing down because he can't back down. He's part of the coup conspiracy along with Governor Kemp.

Hey guys. I haven't listened to the hour, but I've read the transcript. I think Trump's points are addressed pretty well, both by Raffensperger and Germany. Trump makes assertions like "I won by thousands of votes" and "it doesn't pass the smell test", and yes these can't be refuted easily (because they are vague assertions). But the specifics are addressed, and Raffensperger and Germany say they went through the concerns point by point with each house of the Georgia legislature, and the GBI (I assume that is the Georgia Bureau of Investigation) and the FBI looked into things.

[HawkBowler 2.0]

What's interesting about that phone call is that both sides know the truth but neither is admitting it. Trump knows that Raffensperger is behind the election steal. He can't admit to any fraud in the election. Let see what he has to say at his presser today.

Trump to give more evidence tonight. Make sure you tune in.

When all you look for is "no evidence" or "not enough evidence" you purposely avoiding looking for the truth.

[bpj]

"Find 11,000 votes" is Trump saying, we know there were hundreds of thousands of fraudulent votes, but we aren't even asking you to find all of the fraud, you only have to search for enough to prove I won, then you can stop the search if you wish.

[HawkBowler 2.0]

Right, that's a good way of interpreting "find me the votes."

The media is going with Ukraine call 2.0 but it's so dumb.

The most telling part to me was when Trump said that he was notifying Raffensperger that fraud took place. As in... don't tell me you haven't been notified. I'm the POTUS I'm telling you what happened.

[number11]

it's hilarious how you all contort yourselves into pretzels of retardation trying to defend this turd. That call was criminal.

I don't expect any of you will ever come around to the truth that Trump himself keeps proving over & over:
There was no extensive election fraud (at least not on the Democratic side).
Trump is a poor loser.
Trump is a compulsive, narcissistic liar.

[bpj]

it's hilarious how you all contort yourselves into pretzels of retardation trying to defend this turd. That call was criminal.

I don't expect any of you will ever come around to the truth that Trump himself keeps proving over & over:
There was no extensive election fraud (at least not on the Democratic side).
Trump is a poor loser.
Trump is a compulsive, narcissistic liar.

We'll know soon.

[HawkBowler 2.0]

I don't expect any of you will ever come around to the truth that Trump himself keeps proving over & over:
There was no extensive election fraud (at least not on the Democratic side).

I'm 100% sure that you will come to the truth. After January 6th it will be impossible to deny.