OT- Riots, who is responsible?

[gil]

Why trust the media when you can go directly to the source material?

For example, the Steele dossier was published online years ago. We've had relentless media coverage that revolves around that document and yet I bet that most people haven't read it. The dossier is only 30 some pages and reads like the National Enquirer. Anyone who reads it, especially now, can tell that it's junk. And yet followers of the Russian conspiracy theory probably read many more pages from articles about the dossier.

People listened to Dr. Rachel Maddow and Dr. Wolf Blitzer that Hydroxychloriquin was dangerous... and they ignored world renowned epidemiologist Didier Raoult in France who actually treated 4,000 covid patients and proved beyond a doubt that his treatment was effective if given to patients early on when they first develop symptoms.

People want to be told what to think, especially Progressives. They know subconsciously that their ideology is as flawed as any religion, but at the same time, they don't want to give up their world view.

No argument with you on the Steele dossier. The general point is that people look for "evidence" that confirms opinions and beliefs they already hold, right?

Disagree regarding Didier Raoult. His findings haven't been supported in other studies. His methods didn't pass standard scientific muster.

"People want to be told what to think, especially Progressives." Any evidence that this applies more to progressives than to others? I think some of my left-leaning acquaintances would say the same thing ... except substituting "conservatives" for "progressives."

I don't think it is so much "wanting to be told what to think" as the tendency for most of us engage in "motivated reasoning": We have already formed a conclusion, and we look for evidence that confirms that conclusion (and we rationalize away non-conforming evidence so as not to have to change our conclusion).

[HawkBowler 2.0]

Disagree regarding Didier Raoult. His findings haven't been supported in other studies. His methods didn't pass standard scientific muster.

That's simply not true. Again, he treated 4,000 patients. Did he do a double blind controlled study with one group receiving the drugs and the other a placebo? No, and Raoult said he wouldn't do that because he's a doctor who's taken the Hippocratic oath.

One of the worst atrocities by Democrat politicians and their lapdog media is the downplaying of a $20 treatment that could have saved thousands of lives. The real danger from covid is developing emphysema and having to go to the hospital. Hydroxi + Z Pak reduces the risk of hospitalization down to .0002 something.

Wasn't that why we shut down in the first place? The hospitals were going to over flow, right?

This disease is still out there. Please don't spread the myth that the treatment doesn't work. How in the world would you know? Did you get covid? This is a dangerous lie to feed.

[gil]

I think there has been some bad data presented that is both "pro" Hydroxychloriquin and against its use. It's too bad that we jump to our sides and argue rather than waiting for real research to start showing some findings. Giving patients a placebo in a double blind study doesn't violate the Hippocratic Oath. I'll trust the scientific process more than politician or the media (or bloggers or tweeters or ...)

[bpj]

Who says we can trust the research?

Fauci has been so wrong.

The problem with research is it only comes after the fact.

We have experts that were absolutely wrong. And not only wrong, but deliberately misleading, imo.

[DavidGee24]

So after the guy gets killed by police in Atlanta near a Wendy's, shot while AIMING A TASER at officers, rioters respond by...burning down the Wendy's. Talk about going full retard. Thankfully these morons are too stupid to know what the Lorraine Motel and Audubon Theater are.

It gets even better: he was passed out drunk in the drive-thru, he failed the sobriety test, he fought officers, and the NAACP said in an OFFICIAL statement, "This is not the first time a black man has been killed for sleeping". Somehow, someway, in the year 2020, enough people believe this.

[HawkBowler 2.0]

I think there has been some bad data presented that is both "pro" Hydroxychloriquin and against its use. It's too bad that we jump to our sides and argue rather than waiting for real research to start showing some findings. Giving patients a placebo in a double blind study doesn't violate the Hippocratic Oath. I'll trust the scientific process more than politician or the media (or bloggers or tweeters or ...)

Well, that's the problem Gil. You're not trusting "science" at all. You're trusting Dr. Rachel Maddow and the health institute of the Washington Post.

If you cared about the science you would trust the doctors who treated actual covid patients, Raoult in France, Stephens in New York. Raoult didn't give a separate group a placebo because he didn't want them to get sick and die. He couldn't do that as a doctor following the Hippocratic oath. I'm not sure why that's hard to understand.

When people are sick and dying, there's no time to wait for a two year study. There are plenty of people who took the drugs who say it saved their lives. Why don't you believe them? Amy Klobuchar's husband is one of them.

[Coeurd’Alene J]

So after the guy gets killed by police in Atlanta near a Wendy's, shot while AIMING A TASER at officers, rioters respond by...burning down the Wendy's. Talk about going full retard. Thankfully these morons are too stupid to know what the Lorraine Motel and Audubon Theater are.

It gets even better: he was passed out drunk in the drive-thru, he failed the sobriety test, he fought officers, and the NAACP said in an OFFICIAL statement, "This is not the first time a black man has been killed for sleeping". Somehow, someway, in the year 2020, enough people believe this.

You take your lumps and live another day, This idea to always resist seems entrenched in black culture. He wasn’t singled out He was passed out.

[HawkBowler 2.0]

So after the guy gets killed by police in Atlanta near a Wendy's, shot while AIMING A TASER at officers, rioters respond by...burning down the Wendy's. Talk about going full retard. Thankfully these morons are too stupid to know what the Lorraine Motel and Audubon Theater are.

It gets even better: he was passed out drunk in the drive-thru, he failed the sobriety test, he fought officers, and the NAACP said in an OFFICIAL statement, "This is not the first time a black man has been killed for sleeping". Somehow, someway, in the year 2020, enough people believe this.

BLM has headquarters in every major city and it looks like they've been given the green light for a summer of terror. Any black man killed by a cop... for any reason... will see this type of response.

The media is less powerful than they believe but they're powerful enough to keep driving this socialist destabilizing effort. Socialists don't believe in personal accountability. Society creates the criminals and successful alike according to them. This is why we never hear the obvious questions asked about the suspects role in his own death. If he didn't commit a crime, resist arrest, punch the police, grab the police officer's weapon ... shoot the officer with said weapon... none of these questions are raised.

Only black victims of police violence are highlighted in the media even though twice as many white people are killed by the cops. The main reason for tragedy, regardless of color, is resisting arrest and the suspect is usually on hard drugs or alcohol.

The false perception that unarmed blacks are constantly killed by the cops could be easily dispelled by the media. There's all the data in the world to disprove that notion and ZERO data to confirm this sort of racist genocide that we've been living through for the last half dozen or so years. Only 9 unarmed black men were killed by the cops last year.

This is Obama's baby, and he's no doubt behind the scenes directing the action. Interesting that these groups BLM and Antifa started to really ramp up during his presidency (as did ISIS) ... this was before Trump. It's my belief that these groups constitute the ground forces for an eventual socialist takeover.... maybe planned for Hillary's second term when things got really bad... then the country would beg to have Barry back, of course, to give us what we used to have.

[Coeurd’Alene J]

Thomas Sowell Quote

Have we reached the ultimate stage of absurdity where some people are held responsible for things that happened before they were born, while other people are not held responsible for what they themselves are doing today?

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Who among us hasn’t assaulted a police officer, stolen their taser and tried to shoot them with it?